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Murderer? Hero? Both? Neither?
If what he did was above and beyond the call of duty, then he's a hero.

If what he did was expected of the average police officer just doing his job, then no. In that case, he was just doing what was expected of him and that doesn't qualify him to be a hero.

So, which one was it?
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(My reason for posting this thread here, today, is that I believe that our heroes actually define us. Who we choose to revere says a lot about a society. It is indeed political.)
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If what he did was above and beyond the call of duty, then he's a hero.

If what he did was expected of the average police officer just doing his job, then no. In that case, he was just doing what was expected of him and that doesn't qualify him to be a hero.

So, which one was it?
What he did was what is expected of the average police officer.

HOWEVER, what is expected of the average police officer is NOT what is expected of the average citizen. Do we expect average citizens to confront armed gunmen and make split-second decisions about how these scenarios will be handled? We don't. Even more, we expect cops to make the RIGHT decision, every single time.

Do we require them to perform heroic duties? And, if so, does that make them heroes for performing these duties?

For instance, consider September 11. Who ran into the building? Who ran out?


The people who ran into the twin towers were "just doing their jobs," right? Thus, by your definition, they aren't heroes, even though 9,000+ people fled the buildings to get away from the danger, and they ran towards it, some giving their lives to help others leave.
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Are military personnel heroes by virtue of their service?
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Does being a hero require more than just serving a tour of duty or term of service?
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Does being recognized as a hero require some exceptional action on the part of a person?
Absolutely! You need to risk your life in an action above and beyond the call of duty.
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You need to risk your life in an action above and beyond the call of duty.
What if doing your job requires you to risk your life daily?
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I think "hero" is overused. Do folks serving their country deserve respect? Yes. But that doesn't make them heroes. I served; I wasn't a hero. Not every cop or firefighter is a hero by virtue of their career choice.

Heroes, in my opinion, are ones that go above and beyond the call, not the ones who simply do their job -- even if that job involves risking one's life to some degree.

On the other hand, a hero doesn't have to be someone doing something flashy or violent. Simply living life bravely in the face of adversity can be heroic. Living a life of service to others can be heroic. Making a significant personal sacrifice to help another can be heroic.

Perhaps the distinction involves time. A person can become a hero in a single life-or-death instant. Or they can become a hero through a lifetime of brave living.
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If what he did was above and beyond the call of duty, then he's a hero.

If what he did was expected of the average police officer just doing his job, then no. In that case, he was just doing what was expected of him and that doesn't qualify him to be a hero.

So, which one was it?
You didn't answer the question about being a murderer. My friend shot someone in the performance of his normal duties. Is he a murderer?
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I have worked with several police officers who saved lives by killing an armed perpetrator. In one case, a man entered a library in Salt Lake City, armed, and started shooting. He killed a librarian and kept firing at the patrons. Officers responded to the scene. A friend of mine was the man who was first on the scene and ended up shooting and killing the perpetrator. He risked his life entering the building and shooting the gunman.


Murderer? Hero? Both? Neither?



Murderer? Absolutely not!

Hero? Well to some in the scenario you laid out he was doing his job, knowing that in some cases he would be placing his life on the line. He showed courage, he was brave enough to do it, he could have waited for a better plan, but he was doing what would be expected of him. That said I am sure the rest of the folks still in the library consider him their savior, and no doubt he is a hero to them!
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What he did was what is expected of the average police officer.
Then he wasn't a hero. He was just doing what he was trained for and what was expected of him.

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HOWEVER, what is expected of the average police officer is NOT what is expected of the average citizen. Do we expect average citizens to confront armed gunmen and make split-second decisions about how these scenarios will be handled? We don't. Even more, we expect cops to make the RIGHT decision, every single time.
Correct. The average person isn't trained for it. So if an average person did what the officer did, then he would be a hero; since what he did was above and beyond what was expected of him.

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The people who ran into the twin towers were "just doing their jobs," right?
Depends. Were they required to run into a building about to collapse?
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What if doing your job requires you to risk your life daily?
Only if it's above and beyond what is expected of you.

If risking your life on a daily basis was the sole criteria, then fishermen would be our national heroes since they have about the most dangerous job going.
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