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Old 06-06-2008, 10:37 PM
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And the POTUS said the answer isn't drilling for oil. He said so just a few months ago, they knew it back in 2001.


"...Let me start first by telling you that America has got to change its habits. We've got to get off oil." -President George W. Bush, March 5, 2008


Sooo as to your original premise that this the oil shortage is all due to the democrats is incorrect.
If Im not mistaken he was speaking of the long term solution not the short term solution! But you took his words out of context and posted no link so what am I supposed to do? Look it up for you? Come on man your smarter than that! Here is the video again of Bush advocating drilling for Oil!

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Bush must think we're f****** stupid. There are sooo many more factors contributing to the rise of oil prices than just demand. I'm sick of being spoken to like I'm a child. That speach should have been about all the reasons why prices are increasing and the ways in which we can address each problem. Not, "we need it, we don't have it, let's drill for it" (which I agree we need to do but that's not going to help as much as we are told it would).
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If Im not mistaken he was speaking of the long term solution not the short term solution! But you took his words out of context and posted no link so what am I supposed to do?
What you should do? Well first of all calm down.

Second try scrolling back since the link to the WH is provided. But just for you here it is again:

"...Let me start first by telling you that America has got to change its habits. We've got to get off oil." -President George W. Bush, March 5, 2008
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/energy/




As for context, this is his own Administration's findings back from 2001 (same link as above). Long term enough for you?

"we have to developed a national energy policy designed to help bring together business, government, local communities and citizens to promote dependable, affordable and environmentally sound energy for the future."
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In theory. In reality, which is where we live, we can't get most of that oil, or it requires too much oil to make it worth the extraction.

Behold.


That's in oil shale. Oil shale requires a great deal of oil to be spent to extract iit.

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4 miles below the ground, where we can't get it. Strike two.


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So, no, this wouldn't make us energy independent, it's a bandaid for an addiction. You're out.





Because stupid people think we can drill our way out of our addiction. That's like a heroin addict who thinks he can get clean if he just has one more big dose.

It's dumb.

We're not energy independent because we haven't invested in alternatives to fossil fuels.
Im sorry. I dont argue with people who put insane enviromental polocys before the well being of our nation as other nations take advantage of our oil 50 miles from our coast line! Your right on one thing though. We cant drill our way out. BUT WE CAN DEVELOPE THESE NEW TECHNOLOGYS WHILE WE ARE DRILLING FOR SHORT TERM ENERGY! "and by short term I mean the 100-150 years worth of oil we have on, in, and around the US!" AND WE HAVE PLENTY OF OIL UNTILL THAT TECHNOLOGY IS AVALABLE! HOW THE HELL CAN WE RESEARCH NEW TECHNOLOGIES WITH THE PRICE OF GAS SENDING OUR ECONOMY IN TO A RECESSION? WHO IS GOING TO INVEST IN IT? YOU? GOOD LUCK! And who cares what you need to do to extract oil? If I need to kill every karabu in Alaska then so be it!

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but that's not going to help as much as we are told it would).
It's about making trillions of dollars for Bush's oil-buddies.

They have a powerful lobby, they're horizontally integrated, and they have dumb people spreading their propaganda all over the internet.
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Im sorry. I dont argue with people who put insane enviromental polocys before the well being of our nation
I didn't mention the environment once.

So, I guess we can argue.

You're not offering a solution.

None of what you mentioned would make us energy independent.
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What you should do? Well first of all calm down.

Second try scrolling back since the link to the WH is provided. But just for you here it is again:

"...Let me start first by telling you that America has got to change its habits. We've got to get off oil." -President George W. Bush, March 5, 2008
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/energy/




As for context, this is his own Administration's findings back from 2001 (same link as above). Long term enough for you?

"we have to developed a national energy policy designed to help bring together business, government, local communities and citizens to promote dependable, affordable and environmentally sound energy for the future."
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The Renewable Fuels Mandate will increase the use of renewable fuels by 500 percent – requiring fuel producers to supply at least 36 billion gallons of renewable fuel in the year 2022.
The Vehicle Fuel Economy Mandate specifies a national mandatory fuel economy standard of 35 miles per gallon by 2020, which will save billions of gallons of fuel and increase efficiency by 40 percent.
Additionally, the Act advances the following efficiencies:

The Lighting Efficiency Mandate will phase out the use of incandescent light bulbs by 2014, and improve lighting efficiency by more than 70 percent by 2020.
The Appliance Efficiency Mandate sets over 45 new standards for appliances.
The Federal Government Operations Mandate will reduce the energy consumption of Federal Government facilities 30 percent by 2015. Additionally, all new Federal buildings will be carbon-neutral by 2030.
The President is reducing dependence on oil through the development and use of vehicles that run on different sources of energy. President Bush is:

Calling on every vehicle manufacturer that serves the U.S. market to produce flex-fuel vehicles – cars and trucks that can be powered with either gasoline or biofuels – across their fleet;
Providing tax incentives for people to buy fuel-efficient hybrid vehicles that run on both gasoline and electricity; and
Investing in plug-in hybrids that can cover up to 40 miles on electricity alone.
Since President Bush took office, the Federal Government has spent more than $12 billion to research, develop, and promote alternative energy sources.

THATS LONG TERM ENOUGH FOR ME! Meanwhile we still arent allowed to drill for Oil? Why? Because democrats wont let us! Show me the bill! By the way let me show you the video again!


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It's about making trillions of dollars for Bush's oil-buddies.

They have a powerful lobby, they're horizontally integrated, and they have dumb people spreading their propaganda all over the internet.
Well yeah, that'll get us oil. It will also dig us a deeper pit in which we can sit and discuss all of the things that are wrong with this country.
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I didn't mention the environment once.

So, I guess we can argue.

You're not offering a solution.

None of what you mentioned would make us energy independent.
Listen. If there is a profit to be made then the oil companies will drill for it. You simply labeled a bunch of rediculous excuses of why we shouldent drill all while we have China and Cuba DRILLING OFF OUR COAST AND WERE PAYING OUR ENEMIES FOR IT! WHAT SINCE DOES THAT MAKE!??? WE HAVE IT HERE AT HOME!! Any way you said it took too much oil to drill in the Rockys. I can only assume your talking about the carbon released in to the atmosphere from burning the oil to drill. ELTS LET THE OIL COMPANIES MAKE THE DESCISION TO DRILL THERE! You also brought up the point that the oil is 4 miles under ground. Trust me on this. Where theres a profit the technology will follow. If we can make an alaska pipeline hundreds of miles long then we can drill 4 miles under ground. just let the federal goverment give them the thumbs up and see what happens!

You say we cant drill our way out of an addiction. I say stick a freakin nicotine patch on your addiction and ease your way out of it. And we have 150 years of nicotine patches so we have plenty of time! Thats if the democrats will let us drill! But im sure that you would rather pay the saudis for it. Right?

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Listen. If there is a profit to be made then the oil companies will drill for it. You simply labeled a bunch of rediculous excuses of why we shouldent drill all while we have China and Cuba DRILLING OFF OUR COAST AND WERE PAYING OUR ENEMIES FOR IT! WHAT SINCE DOES THAT MAKE!??? WE HAVE IT HERE AT HOME!! Any way you said it took too much oil to drill in the Rockys. I can only assume your talking about the carbon released in to the atmosphere from burning the oil to drill. ELTS LET THE OIL COMPANIES MAKE THE DESCISION TO DRILL THERE! You also brought up the point that the oil is 4 miles under ground. Trust me on this. Where theres a profit the technology will follow. If we can make an alaska pipeline hundreds of miles long then we can drill 4 miles under ground. just let the federal goverment give them the thumbs up and see what happens!

You say we cant drill our way out of an addiction. I say stick a freakin nicotine patch on your addiction and ease your way out of it. And we have 150 years of nicotine patches so we have plenty of time! Thats if the democrats will let us drill! But im sure that you would rather pay the saudis for it. Right?
Just a fun fact: we need the rest of the world's economies to be dependent on our economy so that our economy doesn't destroy itself. You guys just made me think of it.
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