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Old 06-12-2008, 02:57 PM
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So let us take one of Chomsky’s main theses and see if the name-calling insults are justified - moron; idiot; etc. I would suggest that a Chomsky flagship thesis is (paraphrased from many quotes) “The US has employed or supported state-sponsored terrorism and is therefore as guilty as many of the accusations made by it against countries such as Iraq, Iran and North Korea.”

Is he an enfeebled socialist moron to maintain this, or is he justified? I will start a new thread on this topic so as not to sully this exchange of name-calling.
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hmmmm...24 views and not a remark. Where are the Chomsky critics. Where are those who called him a hypocrite, illiberal, an idiot, a traitor, a scumbag...etc.
When it comes to some actual criticism of his work or his writings or his sources the mob becomes silent.

Beyond all the attacks and ad-hominens against Chomsky, he has been wrong. When he claimed the World Court condemned the US for international terrorism we find the the world court actually used the phrase "unlawful use of force". To some it is the same thing. To others it isn't. Some like myself even believe that it is worse. The condemnation was never made into a resolution because the US exercised their veto power twice.

Going back to the phrase klipklap introduced "The US has employed or supported state-sponsored terrorism and is therefore as guilty as many of the accusations made by it against countries such as Iraq, Iran and North Korea" is not a theory by Chomsky, it is not revisionist history. The facts are out there. They have been presented over and over again.
One can argue the reasons as to why the US did indeed employ or support state sponsored terrorism but to deny they happened is about as logical as the holocaust deniers.
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That is because the conservatives have no valid criticism of him, it's basically just 'traitor' blah blah blah.
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That is because the conservatives have no valid criticism of him, it's basically just 'traitor' blah blah blah.
Well there are many self proclaimed "moderates" who are doing the same thing. I'm beginning to think that America's moderates would be considered conservatives elsewhere in the world.
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Well there are many self proclaimed "moderates" who are doing the same thing. I'm beginning to think that America's moderates would be considered conservatives elsewhere in the world.
Well yeah indeed, what is considered 'moderate' in America is pretty far-right in most places in the world.
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Chomsky's views are valid. Failure to see that is failure to accept the truth.

The following is a quote from former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara seen in the documentary "The Fog of War" in regards to their oversight of firebombing civilians in Japanese cities:

"LeMay said, "If we'd lost the war, we'd all have been prosecuted as war criminals." And I think he's right. He, and I'd say I, were behaving as war criminals. LeMay recognized that what he was doing would be thought immoral if his side had lost. But what makes it immoral if you lose and not immoral if you win?"
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Well the criticism will probably come.

Chomsky makes his premise well known about what terrorism is, but admits that most people acknowledge terrorism as what "they" do to "us." So essentially terrorism "can't" be done by the United States because it is us. Its a horribly flawed logic but that's how some perceive "terrorism."
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We already have Chumpsky thread why another?

By the way he is not an idiot, if he was he would not matter but he is very intelligent and uses it against his own nation and his own people. He is the lowest form of scum and a traitor.
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We already have Chumpsky thread why another?

By the way he is not an idiot, if he was he would not matter but he is very intelligent and uses it against his own nation and his own people. He is the lowest form of scum and a traitor.
Someone missed the whole point.

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We already have Chumpsky thread why another?

By the way he is not an idiot, if he was he would not matter but he is very intelligent and uses it against his own nation and his own people. He is the lowest form of scum and a traitor.
Lol, now isn't this just a perfect example of this name calling?

It's also a good example of the fascist tendency of conservatives to portray 'defense of the nation' as the same as 'defense of capitalism'...
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