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So you would prefer the families of these children, along with the children themselves starve to death than have them work?

Take the blinders off! Much of the world is desperately poor and desperate times call for desperate measures!
Personally I would rather see the children work and be fed, than stay home and starve to death!
We're talking about US child labor laws here. Do you disagree with them?
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I am willing to admit that Democrats in the past have had some successes, but none in the recent past! The party has changed. While I was growing up, the party truly represented the views of the common middle class and lower economic class Americans. Not so much anymore! Now the party panders to the extreme left contingent in the party and dumps on working families, all the while preaching that they are all about the working families!

Nafta and China getting Most Favored nation status were both brought about by Bill Clinton. these two measures have punched working Americans who depended on factory jobs in the gut hard! Yet somehow Democrats still love Bill? It is really hard to understand, kind of like the giddy rockstar groupie type thing going on with Obama right now!
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Nafta and China getting Most Favored nation status were both brought about by Bill Clinton. these two measures have punched working Americans who depended on factory jobs in the gut hard! Yet somehow Democrats still love Bill? It is really hard to understand, kind of like the giddy rockstar groupie type thing going on with Obama right now!
Look at the congress that voted for these two measures before you blame Klinton. The president doesn't write legislation.
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Look at the congress that voted for these two measures before you blame Klinton. The president doesn't write legislation.
Wouldn't have happened without his signature!
Sorry Fred, in this case, the truth hurts if you are a Democrat!
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Wouldn't have happened without his signature!
Sorry Fred, in this case, the truth hurts if you are a Democrat!
Actually either could have happened without his signature. Ever heard of a veto-proof majority?

The republican-led congress takes as much of the blame as Klinton does. He couldn't sign a bill that was not written.

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NAFTA was initially pursued by politicians in the United States and Canada supportive of free trade, led by Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, U.S. President George H. W. Bush, and the Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari. The three countries signed NAFTA in December 1992, subject to ratification by the legislatures of the three countries. There was considerable opposition in all three countries. In the United States, NAFTA was able to secure passage after Bill Clinton made its passage a major legislative priority in 1993. Since the agreement had been signed by Bush under his fast-track prerogative, Clinton did not alter the original agreement, but complemented it with the aforementioned NAAEC and NAALC. After intense political debate and the negotiation of these side agreements, the U.S. House of Representatives passed NAFTA on November 17, 1993, by 234-200 vote (132 Republicans and 102 Democrats voting in favor; 43 Republicans, 156 Democrats, and 1 independent against),[6] and the U.S. Senate passed it on the last day of its 1993 session, November 20, 1993, by 61-38 vote (34 Republicans and 27 Democrats voting in favor; 10 Republicans and 28 Democrats against, with 1 Democrat opponent not voting -- Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND), an ardent foe of NAFTA, missed the vote because of an illness in his family).[7]
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Actually either could have happened without his signature. Ever heard of a veto-proof majority?

The republican-led congress takes as much of the blame as Klinton does. He couldn't sign a bill that was not written.



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We're talking about US child labor laws here. Do you disagree with them?
Actually he was talking about India and China. Take a look!
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We're talking about US child labor laws here. Do you disagree with them?
To some extent I do disagree with them! Why should we prohibit children from learning how the economics of the real world work until they are 16 years old?
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That is what I would say too if my boy got busted for betraying his party base!

I am no NAFTA fan, but your ringing up Clinton for NAFTA while ignoring the Republican majority that supported it, and the Republican president who initiated it is a little hypocritical, no?
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Actually he was talking about India and China. Take a look!

No, the thread wandered into liberal successes, and I listed child labor laws, and you said they were bad.
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