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Old 06-18-2008, 05:31 AM
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I had no idea what to write for the title, and that's all I could think of at 10.30pm at night. Hopefully it's in the right forum.

Now, earlier on I was discussing something about gun control with other members, and the Port Arthur massacre came up. The man responsible for the deaths of 35 people has the mental age of an 11 year old, and an IQ of around 60 - 70. The average IQ is 100.

The question is, if an adult has the mental age of a child, should they charged as a child, or charged as an adult?

Does an adult with the mental age of a child understand right from wrong?

Should we charge them as adults, or as children?

What sentences are appropriate? Jail time, or hospitalisation?
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I can't change the title...can a Mod change the 'Differerently' to 'As Minors?'

So it reads 'Should Criminals With Low IQ's Be Charged As Minors'?
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Old 06-18-2008, 05:51 AM
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In the UK IQ is taken into consideration when understanding if the accused can plead to the crime. The basis of the argument is can the accused comprehend right from wrong judged by age or IQ.

If the accused is an adult of low IQ he will be deemed unfit to plead and put in a secure hospital.


Children should not be tried in an adult court, it is against there human rights in europe.
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In My Opinion - even if a child went overboard and tried to hurt another person

They need help ...

It should be the same with the mentally disadvantaged....

I think a lot of them know what the words say
but fail to understand the meaning of it.
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If the accused is an adult of low IQ he will be deemed unfit to plead and put in a secure hospital.
Hmm, to my knowledge, Bryant pleaded guilty? and was sentenced to life...but if his IQ is truely that low, and his mental age that of an eleven year old, I don't feel he should have been sentenced to life, or even been charged...well, I don't mean he should have gotten away with it, but if he was actually a kid in an adult body then he shouldn't have faced the charges he did...an 11 year old would have escaped charges, but an adult with the mental age of an eleven year old doesn't.
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I am not sure if it is State or Federal - but in the USA the only way to charge a minor as an adult is to get a court order to do so ...

however; it seems as though if it is in question and mental evaluation can prevent an unbalanced person from being charged as a competent person.
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Should criminals with low IQs be treated differently?

Well, we shouldn't elect them president, anyway.
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I had no idea what to write for the title, and that's all I could think of at 10.30pm at night. Hopefully it's in the right forum.

Now, earlier on I was discussing something about gun control with other members, and the Port Arthur massacre came up. The man responsible for the deaths of 35 people has the mental age of an 11 year old, and an IQ of around 60 - 70. The average IQ is 100.

The question is, if an adult has the mental age of a child, should they charged as a child, or charged as an adult?

Does an adult with the mental age of a child understand right from wrong?

Should we charge them as adults, or as children?

What sentences are appropriate? Jail time, or hospitalisation?
IS IQ a good predictor of knowledge of right and wrong, or is it just a measure of an individual's ability to learn academically?
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If "punishment" is meant to be a rehabilitative experience, then I would think that person's ability to "learn" should be taken into account.

If "punishment" is nothing more than state-approved "revenge" for the crime, then no. Mete it out parcel for parcel.
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The victims are all the same. Meaning who cares about who the criminal feels its about justice for the victims, so if need be hang em'
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