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Old 07-16-2008, 01:10 PM
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So if someone is costing too much we're going to spend more money to drag them into court?? You must have not thought that one through very well before typing it.
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I like the idea of a national system for health care. I like it even better if it does not include insurance companies.
Most nationalizing plans are single payer system where the government basically becomes the ONLY insurance company, eliminating competition and immediately shifting the price of nominal health coverage upwards.

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The government sets up a price scale according to ability to pay. The higher the personal income the higher the premium. But nothing higher than what people are paying now for top rate insurance.
So we're going to punish people who work hard and are successful by forcing them to pay more for the exact same service. This is what marketers refer to as price discrimination and is highly egregious IMHO, punishing productivity is well... counterproductive.

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If employees of any company have health coverage now that money is used to pay the governments plan premiums rather then that of an insurance company. It seems obvious that health insurance carries are making money in the business or they would not do it. The medicare system could be set up to take care of a new general health care system.
There would be no other insurers, and prices would be regulated by the Feds. So basically they would be telling doctors who spent 16 years in school and piled up hundered of thousands of dollars worth of student loans what their services are worth, would you like it if Uncle Sam started telling you how much your time was worth? Didn't think so.

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Everyone is covered by the plan there are no exclusions. The employees from insurance companies would have first option at the positions for the government jobs.
oh by the way, how are we going to pay these new government employees? That's right, by continuing to pile the burden on the top 50% of income earners, maybe we can get those marginal rates back up to 70% so basically some people get to work from January to October just to pay for their income tax burden, I <3 socialism.
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It would be ideal if a well care check up would be included each year as a preventative measure.
And yet again, where is the money coming from to pay for this, is it going to just magically appear? You must either:

A. Make so little money that you pay no tax
B. Enjoy sending all of your paycheck to the government
C. Too young to be employed

I can't think of any more logical reasons a person would want a tax hike the likes of what would occur under your proposed system.
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Old 07-16-2008, 01:33 PM
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Most nationalizing plans are single payer system where the government basically becomes the ONLY insurance company, eliminating competition and immediately shifting the price of nominal health coverage upwards.

So we're going to punish people who work hard and are successful by forcing them to pay more for the exact same service. This is what marketers refer to as price discrimination and is highly egregious IMHO, punishing productivity is well... counterproductive.

There would be no other insurers, and prices would be regulated by the Feds. So basically they would be telling doctors who spent 16 years in school and piled up hundered of thousands of dollars worth of student loans what their services are worth, would you like it if Uncle Sam started telling you how much your time was worth? Didn't think so.

oh by the way, how are we going to pay these new government employees? That's right, by continuing to pile the burden on the top 50% of income earners, maybe we can get those marginal rates back up to 70% so basically some people get to work from January to October just to pay for their income tax burden, I <3 socialism.
And yet again, where is the money coming from to pay for this, is it going to just magically appear? You must either:

A. Make so little money that you pay no tax
B. Enjoy sending all of your paycheck to the government
C. Too young to be employed

I can't think of any more logical reasons a person would want a tax hike the likes of what would occur under your proposed system.
The insurance are making profits now. If you take the money going in that direction and pay it to the government system That is where you pay the employees. The insurance companies pay employees now and still make money. Why would that stop.
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The insurance are making profits now. If you take the money going in that direction and pay it to the government system That is where you pay the employees.
So now we're talking bout confiscating the profits of private companies, wow oh wow.

....Good plan Komrad. After they finish taking their profits we'll come see you and tell you that your making too much and we need some of your money too. That ok with you hun?

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The insurance companies pay employees now and still make money. Why would that stop.
Are you reading what your writing?
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So now we're talking bout confiscating the profits of private companies, wow oh wow.
When profit compromises quality health care, I'm all for it. What part of that don't U understand?
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When profit compromises quality health care, I'm all for it.
So your saying the problem with health care right now is that insurance companies are making money?

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What part of that don't U understand?
The part where a private insurance provider turning a profit actually affected the quality of the health care in the country with better doctors than anywhere else in the entire world.
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So your saying the problem with health care right now is that insurance companies are making money?
Is that how U interpreted it? I said nothing of the kind. People have been dying unnecessarily in this country for decades due to those profits.

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The part where a private insurance provider turning a profit actually affected the quality of the health care in the country with better doctors than anywhere else in the entire world.
It's unethical for profits to trump care.

U still don't get it. Have U been following this topic at all?
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Is that how U interpreted it? I said nothing of the kind. People have been dying unnecessarily in this country for decades due to those profits.
Show me one example of a person who's died from insurance profits? I'd like to see a death certificate that says:

Cause of death - Insurance profits



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It's unethical for profits to trump care.
I agree but letting the Feds run it won't solve the problem.

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U still don't get it.
Guess that depends on who YOU ask.

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Sure have, what about you?
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Show me one example of a person who's died from insurance profits? I'd like to see a death certificate that says:

Cause of death - Insurance profits

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So your saying the problem with health care right now is that insurance companies are making money?
Insurance is almost inherently a scam when it's for profit (or "non" in the sense that BCBS is). The company gets to choose its pool, leaving out those most at risk... which sort of kills the point of a risk pool at least from the macro standpoint.
At the very least government needs to force insurance companies to accept the high risk... even if it means offering subsidy to offset the costs.
I'm a bit skeptical of that kind of system, but it seems to work in some other countries and isn't as contentious as single-payer
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