Originally Posted by B L Zeebub

how are your bridges and levies

Originally Posted by Greco

"It's insurance for the losers of society. The dregs who would rather spend their money on creature comforts, instead of health insurance. The losers who abuse themselves with alcoholism, drug abuse or cigarette addiction. I think if you would ask successful citizens if they want to spend their tax money on these losers, you'd get a resounding "no." Whenever you hear stories about this socialist health insurance, or read polls, look closely to whom they get their information from. I'll tell you, it ain't gonna be from anyone in the middle-to-upper class. It's gonna be from the losers."

C'mon big mouth. What's your documentation that those without health insurance are "dregs"? (You moronic opinion doesn't count as documentation.)

What are your sources that Americans with no health insurance are allocating their money to creature comforts? (Your moronic opinion doesn't count as a source.)

What source can you cite that Americans with no health insurance are "losers who abuse themselves with alcoholism, drug abuse or cigarette addiction"? (Your moronic opinion doesn't count as a source.)

You've made these claims before. Back 'em up. Show us your sources. Where's your proof? Or are you just a giant bag of donkey dust that's all rant and no substance?

While you're at it, what about Americans that have a pre-existing condidition and insurance companies refuse to sell to them? If John McCain hadn't spent his life receiving federal health insurance he wouldn't be able to purchase any. Does that make him a "dreg, a loser, a drug addict"?

C'mon big mouth prove your claims.

Originally Posted by Saryk

Like I said keep them up. If you look at the levies and bridges there were not kept up, it wasnt a funding issue, it was a getting off your butt issue.

Originally Posted by lavell12

i love how people think things are free if you pay for them with taxes.

Originally Posted by farmer_fred

Clue: you're already paying for indigent care, and the insurance companies are taking their "overhead" and profits off the top.

Originally Posted by Whaler17

Overhead and profit! WHAT DO YOU THINK THE ASSOCIATED Bureaucracy WILL BE, FREE OF CHARGE? The insurance compnies are forced to compete with one another, hence there is an incentive to be efficient! With government run fiascos like the ones recommended by Clinton and B.O. there is no incentive to be efficient, so the current overhead and profit will be like a drop in the bucket to what the overhead will be with a horribly inefficient gubment run program!

Originally Posted by Greco

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Here are the rankings issued by the World Health Organization of the world's health systems:

1. France
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Originally Posted by Greco

A quick contrast of plans reveals that Obama's plan centers on making health insurance available to all Americans, while McCain's plan centers around a tax break for employers.

Originally Posted by Greco

Currently there are 47 million Americans without any health insurance.

Originally Posted by Greco

That's a shameful statistic, and effects all of us. It's a compelling reason to actually discuss this issue, and resolve it. During the debate on this topic, Republicans frequently make several claims, which are unsupported by the facts. We've heard them insinuate that this is "socialized medicine". That's totally false. It's insurance. Health care providers would not become employees of the government. It's insurance!

Originally Posted by Greco

We've also heard Republicans claim that this change in health insurance coverage would destroy our health care system. Pure hogwash. It's insurance. It wouldn't "break" anything, it only involves all Americans being able to afford health care that would be paid by an insurance plan. It only involves providing a safety net for Americans, avoiding a financial disaster brought on by a major health crisis. It's insurance for all Americans.

Originally Posted by Greco

Republicans have frequently expanded that claim and stated that our health care system is the best in the world. We do have the "best health care system in the world", except for the 36 nations ahead of us. We're only one notch above Slovenia at #38, followed by Cuba at #39, but lagging behind Malta at #5, Iceland at #15, Colombia at #22, Chile at #33, even Costa Rica at #36.

The category where we do rank first in the world is in spending. The U. S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country in the world, but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, which was published in a report issued by the World Health Organization.

Here are the rankings issued by the World Health Organization of the world's health systems:

1. France
2. Italy
3. San Marino
4. Andorra
5. Malta
6. Singapore
7. Spain
8. Oman
9. Austria
10. Japan
11. Norway
12, Portugal
13. Monaco
14. Greece
15. Iceland
16. Luxembourg
17. Netherlands
18. United Kingdom
19. Ireland
20 Switzerland
21. Belgium
22. Colombia
23. Sweden
24. Cyprus
25. Germany
26. Saudi Arabia
27. United Arab Emirates
28. Israel
29. Morocco
30. Canada
31. Finland
32. Australia
33. Chile
34. Denmark
35. Dominica
36. Costa Rica
37. United States of America

http://www.photius.com/rankings/who_...lth_ranks.html
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

On this issue, addressing the shameful fact of 47 million having no health insurance available to them, the Democrats have the superior position. It's past time for America to resolve this problem. All surveys have indicated that Americans want this measure. Republicans want to cut taxes for employers. Democrats want to provide health insurance for Americans. It's a simple choice. It's one more compelling reason to help create a change in direction for America. It's one more reason to vote Democratic in November.

Originally Posted by NoSocialism.com

So let me get this straight. France was ranked number ONE by these guys, and shortly afterwards, France has a Heat Wave that kills 15,000 people.

Mostly because number one, they overwhelmed the Health care system. And number two, the oppressive taxing structure in place leaves a lower percentage of the French with Air Conditioning than your average American poor person.

HMO's have already failed to contain prices, they didln't deliver in their Promise, and yet, most liberals want to take the HMO idea, and expand it to a national level. I think the system needs reformation, but it's not the direction most of you guys would go for.