Was there one to start with?

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Originally Posted by Skinny. A liberal is just a libertarian who hasn't studied economics.

I just researched the WHO organization, and there were too many hits stating that they were politically bias. And there way of coming up with the statistics were flawed. So that list is no better than my 6 year old throwing darts at each country to come up with a list.

Because medicare services a small, subset of the population. It may run at 2% overhead technically, but the program is overrun with fraud and the amount paid out in "benefits" is far higher than it shoud be, thus making the cost of the program overall very high for what benefit it provides! Plus the whole push behind this socialized medicine nonsense the Democrats are pushing right now is preventative care, which Medicare doesn't provide! As soon as you make so called "preventative care" available to the masses whenever they feel the desire to go get some, the volume of claims and payouts will skyrocket!

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No there wasn't, and there isn't still!!!!

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I disagree. The way our economy works, you do have to spend money, but you also have to spend it wisely. Right?

And the government is capable of spending money wisely. Right.

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No, it's not. All kinds of things become possible if you remove the need for corporate profit from the equation.

Now that's not to say that there wouldn't be negative consequences. The economy would lose a couple of billions in profit for a few companies. On the other hand, it would gain more billions because more people would be healthy and able to work. So I think the positive would outweigh the negative.

You're right. Let's have them stop spending money on defense. After all, defense is a personal issue, right? The only people who can't defend themselves are losers. Why should people who work hard have to pay for people who can't fight? Why should we have cops -- people and businesses should just protect themselves! There are plenty of private protection rackets you can look into, and some of them have much better track records and customer service ethics than, say, health insurance companies do.

Just imagine we didn't go to war in Iraq. How much money would that have saved us, and how many times over could we have paid for universal health care in America? Maybe we should skip the next war. And the rest of this one, since it isn't doing us any good.

Absolutely perfectly said.

You'd have to give me a brain transplant from a dumbass to ever vote Democratic (and for the record, Republican as well).

See, you proved my point. Government cannot spend wisely. That doesn't necessarily mean don't spend anything at all for the military, but the two issues are very distinct from an economic perspective, with the military needing government subsidies because of a positive externality and healthcare not needing government subsidies because it does not present a positive externality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militar..._United_States

For 2007, the budget rose to US$439.3 billion.[1] This does not include many military-related items that are outside of the Defense Department budget, such as nuclear weapons research, maintenance and production (~$9.3 billion, which is in the Department of Energy budget), Veterans Affairs (~$33.2 billion) or the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (which are largely funded through extra-budgetary supplements, ~$170 billion in 2007).[2] Conversely, the military budget does allocate money for dual-use items, such as the development of infrastructure surrounding U.S. military bases. Altogether, military-related expenses totaled approximately $626.1 billion.[3]

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Originally Posted by Skinny. A liberal is just a libertarian who hasn't studied economics.