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Old 06-23-2008, 10:12 AM
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It's common knowledge that we went over there, at least in part, for a part in influence in those countries, that is, oil. If McCain were to maintain that we went only to ensure democracy for those that were oppressed, he wouldn't get anywhere. By agreeing with the general population that we went for oil, he is in many ways gaining our trust in being honest.
Admitting to previous lies as to the reason for the Iraq war that caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands does not instill trust in McCain. It puts him right down there with Bush and company imo.
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Admitting to previous lies as to the reason for the Iraq war that caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands does not instill trust in McCain. It puts him right down there with Bush and company imo.
It doesn't boost my trust or yours, but for many it does. People say, "hmm, he seems honest. Look! He doesn't like Bush either." Then they vote for him. It works; that's why he does it. And don't get me wrong, Obama does it too.
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Which would surprise who exactly? Wouldn't even move the meter for me.
Blood for oil . . . . that's a heck of an energy plan Bush/McCain have going there. I don't think the general public is aware of this government program.
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Is McCain the only politician honest enough to admit the Iraq war was for oil, or did he accidentally let it slip out?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0GWoxbMs1k

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It doesn't boost my trust or yours, but for many it does. People say, "hmm, he seems honest. Look! He doesn't like Bush either." Then they vote for him. It works; that's why he does it. And don't get me wrong, Obama does it too.
The news that the invasion and occupation of Iraq for 6 years was for their oil is just now beginning to leak out to the general public. I'm not as convinced as you that will result in votes for McCain because he supports continued deaths for oil.

As to your other point, I was not aware that Obama has supported any wars for oil resulting in a hundred thousand deaths.
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Blood for oil . . . . that's a heck of an energy plan Bush/McCain have going there. I don't think the general public is aware of this government program.
1st and foremost - Bush / McCain are not on the ticket it is just McCain.

2nd McCain has done as much during the Bush presidency to destroy GW as the democrats, in fact he has been much more hurtful to Bush because he is a popular Republican.

3rd - The war was fought because Saddam broke the cease fire agreement that he signed during the first gulf war. I don't know if you remember that - but the UN passed 16 or 17 resolutions trying to get him to abide by it, he didn't and GW enforced it.
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Unless you walk to work, or ride a bicycle, you are why we have to go to war over oil!
Actually, I have saved enough energy since I built my passive solar house in 1984 to fuel our hybrid car to work. But that is beside the point. Sure we all need to conserve. And we need leaders to help the public understand that. It is why we are looking forward to having a real leader in the White House.

We have known we were running out of oil for at least 40 years. Jimmy Carter started a tax incentive program to reduce our dependence on oil. It was working too, builders were changing house designs to incorporate alternative forms of energy. The first thing Reagan did as president was to scrap this program. If you are looking for someone to blame, blame Reagan and every president after him.
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The news that the invasion and occupation of Iraq for 6 years was for their oil is just now beginning to leak out to the general public. I'm not as convinced as you that will result in votes for McCain because he supports continued deaths for oil.

As to your other point, I was not aware that Obama has supported any wars for oil resulting in a hundred thousand deaths.
See that isn't what other people hear and see, though. They see that he doesn't support a war for oil and that he acknowledges that we were wrong. Some see that as responsible and honest. They don't see it as him supporting death as no one would support death. I think you're just pissed off that people are dying and our politicians are just trying to get to the top in this joke of a race, which you have a right to be. I am too; but it is unrealistic to conclude that McCain loves death because he's admitted to this. You can't figure (*)(*)(*)(*) out if you come to conclusions like these.

Also, this is not JUST coming to light. We've known this since about 2003 or so. We knew this when Bush was reelected.

I don't know how you can assume that I said Obama supported the war. I think you're looking for claims where I'm not making any just to make yourself feel better. Your emotions might be getting in the way of your understanding what I'm saying. It's about strategy. Obama is using very clear strategies just like McCain is. To dispute this is ridiculous. Strategy is the reason why he's up there in the first place.
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1st and foremost - Bush / McCain are not on the ticket it is just McCain.

On the topic of the war and Iraq, Bush/McCain both supported the invasion of Iraq and both have supported the continuing occupation of Iraq. So on this topic, it remains Bush/McCain.

2nd McCain has done as much during the Bush presidency to destroy GW as the democrats, in fact he has been much more hurtful to Bush because he is a popular Republican.

We were not discussing GW in this thread, but since you bring it up, check both candidates policy positions on GW and you will find that Obama's is more stringent on addressing the causes for GW. Obama is also opposed to the blood for oil in Iraq portion of our current energy program.


3rd - The war was fought because Saddam broke the cease fire agreement that he signed during the first gulf war. I don't know if you remember that - but the UN passed 16 or 17 resolutions trying to get him to abide by it, he didn't and GW enforced it.
Myself and the rest of the American public was told it was because of the threat of WMD's. We are just now discovering the real reason.
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