Originally Posted by StarryStarrySkies

See that isn't what other people hear and see, though.

I agree with you there, but I would add the word "yet."

They see that he doesn't support a war for oil and that he acknowledges that we were wrong.

No, he doesn't openly admit the war was for oil. He has been asked about the quote and denies that he was talking about the Iraq war. He still uses the Bush administration lies as to the reasons we must continue our occupation there.

Some see that as responsible and honest.

So far they do, but only because the war for oil connection has not been proven to them.

They don't see it as him supporting death as no one would support death. I think you're just pissed off that people are dying and our politicians are just trying to get to the top in this joke of a race, which you have a right to be. I am too; but it is unrealistic to conclude that McCain loves death because he's admitted to this. You can't figure (*)(*)(*)(*) out if you come to conclusions like these.

You betcha I'm pissed off that hundreds of thousands of people are being killed for oil in my name. I don't think McCain loves death, I just think he is an idiot who believes most of the lies from this administration.

Also, this is not JUST coming to light. We've known this since about 2003 or so. We knew this when Bush was reelected.

You and I have know the war was about oil since 2003, but the government has done a very good job at keeping it secret from the public.

I don't know how you can assume that I said Obama supported the war. I think you're looking for claims where I'm not making any just to make yourself feel better. Your emotions might be getting in the way of your understanding what I'm saying. It's about strategy. Obama is using very clear strategies just like McCain is. To dispute this is ridiculous. Strategy is the reason why he's up there in the first place.

Originally Posted by catawba

Originally Posted by catawba

Originally Posted by MasTequila

Our intelligence along with the rest of the world believed that to be true.

The rest of the world??? Only half the people in this country alone believed the lies from Bush/McCain.

So your so called lie by GW is moronic at best.

To the people that believe the Bush/McCain lies, it would seem moronic. To those of us that have not swallowed the lies, it would seem moronic not to recognize that this is the only reason that is proving true.

See this recent report: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=RuE0JaEK39g

Yes, that was ONE of the reasons we went in but not the only reason we went. Spin it all you want, march to your beat - but go back and listen to the speech he made, that is only ONE of the reasons.

None of the other reasons make any sense. There were no WMD,s. The Iraqi people live in greater fear under our occupation than they did under Saddam, In a few more years we will be responsible for more Iraqi deaths than Saddam. We have made Iran stronger by removing Saddam. We have made America less secure because of the increased hate for America, which is evidenced by the fact that the world now considers the U.S. more of threat to world peace than Iran.

Did the democrats who voted to go, also lie? Or were they just inept as leaders being misled by the evil George W. Bush?

Originally Posted by catawba

Originally Posted by StarryStarrySkies

Unfortunately I think they were. BUT they were all too trigger happy in invading but this may be due to the publics' need for a scapegoat.

Originally Posted by catawba

We are in agreement again on your first sentence, but I'm not sure I understand your second sentence. Please clarify when you can.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by StarryStarrySkies

I really admire your willingness to understand others' perspectives. That's really cool of you.

We were very quick to blame someone, anyone, for what happened on Sept. 11. I think that our quickness to invade Iraq to look for WMD's was in the heat of being attacked after we didn't find Bin Laden.

Originally Posted by catawba

Thank you! I appreciate your kindness! I can partly agree with your point above, in that I do think the 9/11 attack did frighten many Americans. That is why Bush received overwhelming support for going after the terrorists hiding out in Afghanistan. However, it is my belief that, just like the T.V. evangelists, Bush and McCain used people's fears to convince them the WMD threat was greater than it was. I can never forgive them of this deception, especially now that the truth is leaking out that the war was really just part of what substituted for a real energy plan.

Additionally, McCain is a hypocrite for whining about the high gas prices now when he helped bring about these high prices when he voted for a bill that eliminated the regulatory oversight of speculation on energy commodities. See below:

Fear is the most powerful tool. They definitely over exaggerated it but we don't know if it was the intelligence that we received or out ulterior motives or both.

McCain lies just as any politician does. He does it to get the vote just as any politician does. It's the nature of our system.