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Old 06-23-2008, 03:58 PM
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It's not only about what you would call abortion like actions, it's about selling birth control as well. Birth control isn't about keeping your legs closed, it's about being safe and not irresponsibly getting pregnant.

Government regulation isn't characteristic of socialism. The US government regulates, in fact we have more restrictions than many socialist like countries.
We have more restrictions (if we do have more restrictions) becaus our goverment doesent REGULATE like socialist countrys. Restrictions are the only thing that our goverment is allowed to do to a free market. Why? Because they dont have the option of SOCIALIZING! If they did they wouldent see the need to restrict because goverment would own the economy! Therefore a free market would naturaly have more restrictions than a socialist country that has absolute power as the democrats would like it to have! Dont believe me? Here is a prime example >>> Democrat Maxine Waters Admits To Being A Socialist!!! I LOVE IT!!!

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We have more restrictions (if we do have more restrictions) becaus our goverment doesent REGULATE like socialist countrys. Restrictions are the only thing that our goverment is allowed to do to a free market. Why? Because they dont have the option of SOCIALIZING! If they did they wouldent see the need to restrict because goverment would own the economy! Therefore a free market would naturaly have more restrictions than a socialist country that has absolute power as the democrats would like it to have!
Restrictions are regulations. We cannot have a purely free market and we don't because we regulate. Why? Because we need to, but we aren't socialist becausue we regulate.

If the government owned the economy they would be restricting AND regulating it.

Do you believe we should have an entirely free market?
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If it is required that one must sell to every customer regardless of that listed above, then there should be no murkiness. Every customer means every customer.
DD said "In Denmark every pharmacy must be licensed by the state to do its business. Part of the way to achieve a license is to agree to serve every customer, no matter their racial, religious, political, etc makeup" ...and it's true in the US that you can't refuse to dispense medication to someone because of their race, religion, gender, etc.

So theres a distinction to be made -- yes we need treat each patient equally, but we also have the competing interest of not wanting the government to force people (pharmacists) to do something they believe is morally wrong, or apply a "religious test" for people who wish to become pharmacists.

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Considering a particular pharmacy is owned by someone who has no persuasion either way, should the pharmacist working at the counter (not the owner) have the right to turn someone away because he/she believes women should not be using contraceptives?
Sure; as long as the store owner gives him that option.

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Yes; customers have other options -- internet, travel, etc.
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Not if he is required to take an oath to sell to every customer. They had this problem with physicians as well - not taking a patient because of religion and such. It's against the oath.
The customer isn't being turned away because of what the customer is; the customer is being turned away because that pharmacy doesn't carry contraceptives.

That is not a minor distinction; therefor, the oath is irrelevant in tis case.
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DD said "In Denmark every pharmacy must be licensed by the state to do its business. Part of the way to achieve a license is to agree to serve every customer, no matter their racial, religious, political, etc makeup" ...and it's true in the US that you can't refuse to dispense medication to someone because of their race, religion, gender, etc.

So theres a distinction to be made -- yes we need treat each patient equally, but we also have the competing interest of not wanting the government to force people (pharmacists) to do something they believe is morally wrong, or apply a "religious test" for people who wish to become pharmacists.
Those who work in health care should not be allowed to turn anyone away. Patient care is not about you it's about your patients, those who need your help.
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The customer isn't being turned away because of what the customer is; the customer is being turned away because that pharmacy doesn't carry contraceptives.

That is not a minor distinction; therefor, the oath is irrelevant in tis case.
The pharmacy doesn't carry contraceptives because the owner doesn't want to provide for certain people. If the person took an oath to provide for everyone, then they are going against their oath.
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Restrictions are regulations. We cannot have a purely free market and we don't because we regulate. Why? Because we need to, but we aren't socialist becausue we regulate.

If the government owned the economy they would be restricting AND regulating it.

Do you believe we should have an entirely free market?
Sure do! We should have a free market with no other regulation other than laws that protect our rights to life liberty and the persuit of happyness. Just like our founding fathers intended it to be!
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Sure do! We should have a free market with no other regulation other than laws that protect our rights to life liberty and the persuit of happyness. Just like our founding fathers intended it to be!
I agree fully however the protection of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness needs to extend to third world countries as well. If we were to lift tariffs and whatnot these people would continue to be exploited. You intend to protect these people as well too?
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The pharmacy doesn't carry contraceptives because the owner doesn't want to provide for certain people. If the person took an oath to provide for everyone, then they are going against their oath.
For starters, oaths aren't legally binding; and your term "everyone" can easily be interpreted to include the unborn.

Again, the oath is irrelevant in this case.
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