To be fair we'd still be going to the middle east for oil even if we drilled everything in sight. Neither ANWAR nor offshore is Saudi Arabia. We'd just get reduced oil dependence and not for terribly long either.

Of course we could do things like shale, coal gassification, or biofuels, but all these things would have, especially in the past, been much more expensive than Arabian oil and so a free market wouldn't use them.

If our leaders in the United States, could look back in time to see that trying to make any sort of deal with the ugliness of the middle east and the extreme amount of wars and death associated with likes of these warring vermin, they may have been more prudent in their decision to stay out of that over sized litter box.

Our modern science of extraction and the new technology of alternative fuels could have been pursued 40 years ago, there by telling the middle east where they can shove their oil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil

Unconventional sources, such as heavy crude oil, tar sands, and oil shale are not counted as part of oil reserves. However, oil companies can book them as proven reserves after opening a strip mine or thermal facility for extraction. Oil industry sources such as Rigzone have stated that these unconventional sources are not as efficient to produce, however, requiring extra energy to refine, resulting in higher production costs and up to three times more greenhouse gas emissions per barrel (or barrel equivalent).[49] While the energy used, resources needed, and environmental effects of extracting unconventional sources has traditionally been prohibitively high, the three major unconventional oil sources being considered for large scale production are the extra heavy oil in the Orinoco Belt of Venezuela,[50] the Athabasca oil sands in the Western Canadian Sedimentary Basin,[51] and the oil shales of the Green River Formation in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming in the United States.[52][53] Chuck Masters of the USGS estimates that, "Taken together, these resource occurrences, in the Western Hemisphere, are approximately equal to the Identified Reserves of conventional crude oil accredited to the Middle East."[54] Authorities familiar with the resources believe that the world's ultimate reserves of non-conventional oil are several times as large as those of conventional oil and will be highly profitable for companies as a result of higher prices in the 21st century.[5

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Cheney is the second executive officer to shoot someone in the face and chest. Clinton was the first.

Perhaps. But at the time the big threat was Communism. And that is a battle won with the economy as much as anything. And the economy is fueled with cheap oil.

And annoying as the middle east is, it's a threat of a different order of magnetude compared with the USSR. I'm not sure you'd have been able to convince them to risk the lives of hundreds of millions of civilians for a chance to save the lives of thousands later.

At any rate we're off of Iranian oil now. Our oil independence from them would make China and others less likely to buy. And while despicable in their own ways we don't so much have a problem with the Saudis and Kuwaities.

Just being, or doing anything with the middle east is reason enough for the islam-o-nazis to attack us.

The peaceful arabs are lame in trying to control the savages, and drastic measures need to be taken on their part for the rest of the world to see them as a valid nations promoting peace and prosperity.

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Cheney is the second executive officer to shoot someone in the face and chest. Clinton was the first.

I don't know why you would say that?

I am a Patriotic American and do not want to see any of our soilders killed for any reason.

Not a very classy way to put out no point at all.

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There shall ye find Light

Be thou faithful unto Death
And I will give thee a crown of Life

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it.

Oh cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.

Point is there and clear. Its supproted by the actions here and elsewhere.

When the enemy was murdering people in their hundreds a day the anti-war defeatist where all giddy.

When the USA does anything they find ways to tell us how bad we are and how it doesn't matter.

The undeniable ingoring of the success in Iraq by this same crowd over the past 14 months shows clearly they don't care.

When US marines where accused of something it became a circle jerk of accusations agaist them and the USA..when terrorist where captured/killed it becomeas oh it doesn't matter and they need to be protected against the EVIL USA


So 'please' knock it off.




Oh then there Afghanistan..nobody but a fool can trust you people there. Your word is worthless.

A real quote from a LIBERAL (cira 1800 something), John Stuart Mill..

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

Thank God (not that faggt ahla, but God) that there are "better men" than yourself sunnifruit. Only that allows both you and me to post our respective tripe on this board. Or, in your world, do you really think this discourse would be allowed by the moraility police? Sad dude, sad.

You just need to understand that simple minds have simple thoughts. He proves that with his inane post.