Oh I think they can.... but they really want to use this to somehow legitimize Obama policy stance with people so they just wil play daft.

To me the funniest part of all this is that these are the same talks they wanted Scrapped!...now they are trying to use them to legitimize a policy stance that is completely at odds with them.


kooky really.

So why don't you explain the difference!!!

The conditions were for the US to reduce sanctions, not to talk to them. The conditions would never have been met without talks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@!!!!!!!!!! Bush set NO pre-conditions to talks, only to REDUCING SANCTIONS! That is what that story said, and yet of course you guys find a way to manipulate the story to fit your warped worldview!! Obama would talk without pre-conditions(he should act like a baby and say "NO, you are mean to me, I am not talking to you, but he is too Naive to do that) but he should not make concessions without pre-conditions, which he has never claimed he would do!!! Simply talking to leaders is NOT appeasement, it is what you say to them that is important!! But putting our head in the sand and ignoring the "bad" countries like children is the height of stupidity!!

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Im a Tarte, what! you want some of this?


And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. Thomas Jefferson

Do you Obama supporters even understand his policies? Sheesh, straight from his website folks:

Unilateral, unconditional.

The NK negotiations had conditions and were multilateral.

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What are you talking about? You right wingers love unilateral action!!! And hate multilateral action, but now you are in favor of it!!! You guys kill me!!! The entire rational behind invading Iraq without the UN was that unilateral action is quicker, and allows freedom to act!! So what is the difference if the US talks to Iran alone, or with russia and china in the room? Then mommy and daddy will be there if a slap fight breaks out?

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Im a Tarte, what! you want some of this?


And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. Thomas Jefferson

You should recall the whole deal with NK wanting unilateral talks but Bush refusing and holding out for multi-nation talks. That would be a pre-condition that was met.

Now personally I don't think one has to have a pre-condition for talks. But don't pretend there wasn't one in that case.

Now the heart of the issue is in here:
"He should not make concessions without pre-conditions". But what concessions should be made for which pre-conditions?

If any concession is given with a pre-condition of stopping support for insurgents or terrorists it is, by definition, appeasement. It's simply a matter of if you think appeasement can be a good thing.

I believe McCain's position is that no appeasement will occur for stopping those activities so there isn't any point in talking until they are stopped as it would only amount to sabre rattling. At any rate it certainly can't be said that he's putting his head in the sand after his musical rendition of "Bomb Iran."


And the difference in unilateral vs multi-nation is that a single nation can bomb someone just fine. But a single nation using diplomacy and sanctions is extremely weak as the other country can just turn to other nations for trade and support. (Though it would have been far better to have the UN behind us in Iraq or really not to have gone, but that's off topic anyway).

Yep.

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What happened to Bush Butt Fume Sniffers? I'd rather sniff butt fumes than huff them...

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Then explain it, oh aptly named one.

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--President-elect Barack Obama
November 5, 2008

I think I've always employed the term "huffers", SC. But I may be wrong.

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"If there is anyone out there who still doubts that America is a place where all things are possible, who still wonders if the dream of our founders is alive in our time, who still questions the power of our democracy, tonight is your answer."

--President-elect Barack Obama
November 5, 2008

I might be wrong too - I seem to remember being called a "Bush Butt-Fume Sniffer" at one time, but, who knows?

Let's just say that was a term we left behind, and we'll use "huffers" over here!

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