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Old 06-27-2008, 05:58 AM
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In history, the turmoils and riots of tibet were almost aroused by the lamas in temples. On one hand, it's the result of the lasting effect from the overseas tibetan independent forces to the lamas in tibet. This kind of effect was carried out by means of the religious loyalty. In fact, some overseas senior Buddhas are just the "political monks". On the other hand, it's also the result of the special condition of the tibet temple.


It may be much easier for us to understand that by making some comparison between the churchs in US and temples in Tibet.


In US, there are only several clergy working in a church. Although there may be tens of workers working during some church events, most of them are volunteers, and other accountists, gardeners, cleaners and maintainers are all hired by the church. There is only a loose interested relations between church and these volunteers and external workers. While in the tibet temples, the number of lama is huge. Some temples even have thousands of lamas and offer them the basic living resouces. Those lamas are living together and have formed a closed relationship of common interest. In such a huge, united, closed interest group, once an important person instigates religion emotions for some purpose, numerous lamas may be affected, and develop into group efficiency.


According to the US law, clergy is a job. Children are forbidden to become a clergy. Church can open a school, but the school must be charged by the local education bureau and the teaching materials and courses are same with other ordinary schools. Only a few graduates will engage in religious affairs. While in the tibet temples, it's very popular to see little lamas under 10 years old. They are taught by the elder lamas, and are easy to form an inveteracy mind and idea totally different from the real society, which may lead those children to be a new generation of national separatists.


What's more, in US, the policemen are responsible to the security of church. While in tibet, every temple has its special lama with iron sticks to manage the temple's security issues. They are fend by the temples and ineviably listen to the abbots of the temples. That means temple is allowed to have its own informal armed force. In US, church is a unprofit organization, must register to the state government, and has no right of printing and publishing. In tibet, however, besides donations, ticket income and the government financial aids, temples can operate business, planting industry, breeding industry, and even can print materials, which are all tax free. These interests cause the forming of the "rights recovery" idea.


Therefore, the reform of those tibetan duddhism temples must be carried out. Only in this way can the temples become the positive factors to the social stability, but not the unrest elements causing the social turmoils and riots.
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Sounds like pro-authoritarian Chinese propaganda.

First, Churches in the United States are allowed to print whatever material they care for, as long as its okay with the church leaders or whatever.

Secondly, Churches in the United States use donations, fundraisers, bake sales, or whatever in the attempts to get money and expand. This doesn't mean its for-profit, but it does mean that they can gather money to build another church, or a new window or have a celebration or whatever.

Thirdly, churches in the United States register to the State so they can become tax exempt. If they aren't recognized by the state as a religious center, they will be taxed.

Lastly, freedom of speech exists in the United States, so that means churches in the United States have many members who might think alike and develop certain ideas about society, economics and politics. It's the same reason many ministers endorse certain political parties, and those ministers take their "closed interest groups" and vote a certain way to affect parties.

The attempt to make tantric Buddhism seem like a well-financed cult of rebel-rousers is poor at best.
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Sounds like pro-authoritarian Chinese propaganda.

First, Churches in the United States are allowed to print whatever material they care for, as long as its okay with the church leaders or whatever.
If you knew the "whatever", your opinion might be more meaningful. j/k. Think about what you just said
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Dalai is a representative of the Old Tibet, while the Tibet Autonomous Region government is the representative of the new Tibet and all the people in the region. There is not a single country in the world that recognizes the Dalai exile government. Therefore, Dalai has no right to represent Tibet and all the people in the region. So, the talks between Dalai and the central government are only talks about the personal fate of Dalai.
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The Dalai Lama has even sought to implicate India in his political project, observing on one occasion, at a seminar, that “it is more reasonable for India to own sovereignty over Tibet than China.”
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If you knew the "whatever", your opinion might be more meaningful. j/k. Think about what you just said
I was tired and I couldn't think of the right jargon that fit in that situation, but you know.... whatever.
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