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So your saying you don't have some of the highest crime rates in the country?
We have some of the lowest crime rates of any large city.
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GUN CONTROL FLOPS
By Lehrer, Eli
Publication: The American Enterprise
Date: Wednesday, December 1 2004

The gun-control movement is in trouble across the globe. From Britain to Australia to Canada, promises of lower crime rates due to gun control have turned into a reality of sharp increases in crime.

Take the United Kingdom, where violent crime has been soaring. Britain has already banned just about every type of weapon a criminal might want. Handguns were outlawed in 1997, and nearly all other firearms (even BB guns) are heavily regulated. Yet gun crime in England and Wales nearly doubled in the four years following the ban. Overall violent crime soared by 118 percent. The violent crime rate in England and Wales now stands at twice the rate of the U.S.

Other English-speaking countries that followed Britain's lead in limiting gun ownership have nothing to show for it either. In Australia, violent crime rose dramatically after the "Port Arthur" gun-control measures banned most firearms in 1996. Violent crime rates averaged 32 percent higher in the six years after the law passed, compared to the year before the law went into effect. Armed robbery increased by 74 percent. Australia's violent crime rate is also now double that of the U.S.
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What you consider a correct interpretation is different from mine. It's always activism.

See, you call it activism when you simply disagree. The point is your terms are easily applied when your ideologue justices "legislate from the bench."
Not quite. Their job is to interpret the constitution. It is activism when they decide that something is unconstitutional just because they disagree with what the constitution says. Liberals like to operate in a world of equality, so when they see a ruling opposing their beliefs, they decide that it is finally their turn to play the "activism" card. Activism is not simple disagreement. Judicial activism is interpreting the laws based upon their political beliefs instead of based upon evidence within the constitution. Liberal judges are more likely to become activist judges simply because liberals believe that the constitution is a living, breathing document. They then decide that the American culture needs a certain interpretation of the constitution to fix it, instead of actually defending the constitution.

In terms of gun control, it is a fact that the Second Amendment applies explicitly to individual rights of the American citizenry to own and carry firearms. An activist judge, for example, would use their proponence of gun control to claim that the Second Amendment refers only to a militia.
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Default Is there a correlation between gun laws and protection against violent crime?

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YES.

20% of U.S. Violent Crime occurs in 4 cities: New York, Chicago, Washington D.C., & Detroit. These cities have near prohibition laws regarding handgun ownership.

1976- Washington, D.C. enacted one of the most restrictive gun control laws in the nation. Effect: Murder has risen 134%while the national murder rate has dropped 2%
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New York City - Up 15% between 1998 and 1999. The SAME timeframe that new handgun restrictions came into effect.

In 1986, Florida Adopted the Right-To-Carry law, allowing citizens to carry firearms. The results from 1987-1996:

Homicide Rate: DECREASED 36%
Homicide by Firearm: DECREASED 37%
Homicide by Handgun: DECREASED 41%


93% of Police officers believe law-abiding citizens should be able to purchase a firearm for self-defense or sport.

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Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals over 2.4 million times every year -- or 6,575 times a day. This means that each year, firearms are used 60 times MORE OFTEN to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives. - National Safety Council

According to the CDC, the total number of gun deaths by homicide, suicide and accidents in 2004 was around 29,000. Now, keep in mind that the gun was only the means of violence. In 2004 there were only 1,100 accidental deaths from guns in the US, meaning that if guns were not a factor, there would still be arond 27,000 violence-related deaths and suicides which occured by using other means.

No one was ever killed by a gun. A gun is a tool utilized by a person who can think and make decisions. It is an inanimate object, like a car, a knife, or an axe, which all are also used as a means commit crime.

Virginia Tech is a prime example of how gun laws fail. The university strictly enforced a no weapon policy on its premeses. Consequently, the honest students were not armed, even if they were licensed, it still was not permited. One criminal broke the rules with a gun he bought illegally and slaughtered 32 students. Had any one of those students or witnesses been armed, they would have been able to neutralize the threat and saved at least some lives.
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We have some of the lowest crime rates of any large city.
Really? in 2006 there were only 4 cities in the whole country which had higher violent crime aswell as a higher population..

Do you remember 'Murder Capital of the World'? what ban was there that happened before your city earned that crime title.. hmm.. let me think..
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Really? in 2006 there were only 4 cities in the whole country which had higher violent crime aswell as a higher population..

Do you remember 'Murder Capital of the World'? what ban was there that happened before your city earned that crime title.. hmm.. let me think..
Are you talking about my city?

Because, my city reduced crime with enforcement of the sullivan law, and other gun laws.
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Are you talking about my city?

Because, my city reduced crime with enforcement of the sullivan law, and other gun laws.
You are speaking contrary to every fact I have ever seen.
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Are you talking about my city?

Because, my city reduced crime with enforcement of the sullivan law, and other gun laws.
No your attempts at controlling guns led to a spiral of violent crime...
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No your attempts at controlling guns led to a spiral of violent crime...
Hi, I'm the last 20 years in NYC and the entire platform of Rudy Giuliani's campaign for president (Minus 9/11); nice to meet you.
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The conservative fairweather hero the "activist justice" had a big week.

They ruled, despite the context written into the ammendment itself, that firearms are a constitutional right.

Well, that's a bunch of crap.


I've tried to reason with gun nuts. If you're a law abiding citizen in some state where guns are just part of the backwards no-neck culture, fine. Blow your head off.

Now you're telling us that we have to let everybody have guns on our streets, in my town.

This is part of an ebb and flow; as the guns flood in, crime and death will return.

All because gun-nuts can't keep their goddam ideas to themselves.

What happened to "Local government" doing what works for them?

Oh, right, that's a bunch of crap for "We want your tax dollars, but you have to adopt our regressive culture"

So, when these local laws are overturned, and crime and death go up, understand that the causation: gun-humping ideologues who circle-jerked their way into power.'


Fortunately, that power is on the wane.
Uhhh... did you by any chance read the decision the SCOTUS handed down?

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Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. 3. The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied to self-defense) violate the Second Amendment. The District’s total ban on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of “arms” that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense.
Heller had a legally purchased handgun that he tried to register with the city (DC) but was turned down, because the city refused to register any handguns - effectively prohibiting possession of them.

The SCOTUS said that was unconstitutional - you can regulate who can own a handgun, and who can carry a concealed handgun and where it can be carried. You can make people register their handguns, and undergo training in order to own a handgun, but you cannot stop an otherwise law-abiding citizen from keeping a handgun in their home for self-defense.

I must confess, I've never understood the mindset of the social "do-gooder" who believes that by taking away something from everyone, it will improve society for everyone. It didn't work with Prohibition, and - thanks to the SCOTUS - it isn't working with handguns.
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