I know you're a liberal and all...but don't you think you're exaggerating just a weeee bit?

Again...y'all libs put Bush up on this pedestal, like he were a king, and you fail to understand that your neo-socialists were just as guilty as he was. JUST. AS. GUILTY.

Bush can hardly wipe his nose without congressional approval. Why can't libs understand this?

Furthermore...if all the libs do is whine about Bush doing this illegally, and doing that illegally, does that mean that all the liberals were that stupid to fall for it?

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Don't you know that they blame their own faults on the other side?

It happens daily.

Why would they own up?

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"It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance.

--Murray Rothbard

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Originally Posted by Skinny. A liberal is just a libertarian who hasn't studied economics.

They seen the same intel, unedited, reports given to them were just as they were
presented to the president.

Are you now going to say the democrates did not do their job and check, and recheck
the intel with each department that produced the reports?

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Now let's see if I follow your logic. Bush was the President, but the minority Democrats controlled him. Bush made the decisions, but the minority Democrats told him what to decide. Bush gave them the intel, from his intelligence agencies, but the minority Democrats told him what to give them. It's all the minority Democrats fault.

Bush's claims were all false, but the minority Democrats told him what to say. Bush bungled the war, but the minority Democrats told him what flawed strategies to implement.

So Bush is an absolute truth-telling hero, he's just so weak and stupid that the minority party controlled all his words, all his claims, all his actions.

Yeah, why don't you continue running with that one. Let's see how much traction you 19% dead-enders can generate.

The day I see a top level politician come out and admit wrong-doing on a grand scale and admit they (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up, is the day I come up with an analogy that befits such a moment.

And Saddam claimed WMD even though he didn't. There were still many sites in Iraq that the UN was supposed to be monitoring that they were not.

You can claim you know the truth but there are those far above your pay grade that actually know the truth, who were/are there.

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Conan! What is best in life?
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women

Did they look like psychos? Is that what they looked like? They were vampires. Psychos do not explode when sunlight hits them, I don't give a **** how crazy they are!

Greco,
No one made Bush do anything, what you seem to not grasp is that they
too, placed their hand on the posion pen, and voted YES.

But for Greco to admit it would mean losing face.
same goes for your little liberal friends you voted in.

The moral of the story is, ALL members of congress believed the reports
but when it came down to the day to admit they was wrong, only the
democrates denied it and said, "Bush fooled US" not one democrate today
will talk the truth about why they VOTED YES for Bush's WAR.

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That's not even the issue. By your own admission, all the "facts" were wrong. All the justifications for launching this war were wrong. Forget for a moment, it was the Bush administration pushing for the war, all the rationale was flawed, 100% wrong.

Since then it's been the Republicans that have excused away, attempted to justify and rationalize this massive blunder. They continue that approach, trying to create equal blame, but wanting to continue a war that was started from false claims, mismanaged and a total disaster, but they wan't more of it.

That defies logic. You can't blame the Democrats or the Rotarians for it. It's the Republicans.

This argument is ludicrous. It is wholly detached from reality.

I've noticed a trend among the advocates of social science who are now realizing that their anti-American/pro-terrorist positions are now being discredited in bulk, so they're running more and more to claim that all these issues are 'subjective' and that they're entitled to the opinions no matter how sound and well reasoned the arguments are which discredit them.

This member has absolutely NO factual basis on which to rest their assertion that "Bush Lied!" or "the Democrats were mislead." When faced with the reality that the best information at the time suggested that Iraq was pursuing and storing CBW and that the Socialist Hussein and his murderous regime were NO WHERE NEAR worthy of the benefit of the slightest doubt, given the potential ramifications of leaving him in place, they merely ball up their rhetorical fist and run to appeal to what they perceive is a popularly held opinion, which supports their feelings; where they stand wholly on the proposition that "70% who agree with me can't be wrong." This sets aside that the left has been wrong about everything they've stood for over the extent of human history and there is absolutely no correlation between how many people believe something to be true and that something being true.

But when one is debating the advocates of social science it is easy to get frustrated by their irrational responses. Never forget that the frustration is rooted in you're trying to apply reason to an unreasonable situation. Socialists lack the means to reason. The ideological left is where such people go to advance their ruinous political 'feelings.' So, while it is easy to get one's hackles in a bunch, just remember that failure is inevitable, the instant one accepts their premise. If you accept their premise, you have begun the chase down the rabbit hole to an irrational word, where the rules no longer apply; words can mean anything they want them to mean and they're entitled to say whatever they want, without fear of being held responsible for those words. This is never more clearly noted than where they promote the interests of the Enemies of the United States and or advancing/promoting perspectives which defend those plotting to destroy the US and reel from assertions challenging their Patriotism.


The simple fact is: The justification for liberating Iraq was that Iraq had a long history of promoting and supporting the interests of those who had attacked the United States; that despite the 18 months of intense diplomatic efforts to prevent the US from having to remove the murderous despotic socialist regime of Hussein, Iraq remained belligerent and thoroughly unapologetic for its promotion and support of International Islamic Terrorism.

In point of FACT: Removing Hussein from power in Iraq was already the official position of the US government long before Mr. Bush was elected and came to power in the US. The Clinton regime, with the full ascension of US congress had long since made such the official law of the US land in 1998 under the "The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998," and post 9-11, given the one and one half years of intense diplomatic effort applied by the US to avoid having to liberate Iraq and the belligerent refusal of Iraq to comply with US demands, Mr. Bush had no choice but to liberate that nation from the Socialist Hussein and his despotic rule.

All of this talk about Bush lying and misleading anyone is simply myth founded on absolute nonsense and stands as nothing more than the spurious claims of those desperate to floss up some defeat out of the teeth of indisputable US victory. They're the ideological ne’er-do-wells, the tattered remnants of Marx, who simply can't face yet another scenario where their opposition is right and they, yet again, were utterly, thoroughly and miserably wrong.

I think you would have to answer yes.

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Liberals believe it is okay to kill babies, but not terrorists.

democrats believe it is okay to taser a 10 year old if this stance will get their guy elected.