Conservation

Reality or Religion?

Ever notice when we discuss oil and energy the environmentalists always have a way of finding fault with anything that is actually viable?

The mantra is always conserve, conserve, conserve.......

But the reality is that conservation alone will not and can not work.

We must increase the supply side of the equation.

We must drill, drill drill as well as build nuclear power plants.

The logic they use quite often is that if we started drilling today that it would be 5-10 years before we got a drop of oil.

While that is probably true what they don't say is that all of the alternative sources that they love to spout are not and will not be viable for decades.

That brings us full circle.

We have answers, we have resources, but the environmental nut jobs keep blocking everything as to them oil is evil and not using it is noble.

They just don't seem to care that out entire economy is based on energy. As long as our population keeps growing our need for energy will keep growing as growth requires energy.

Oil is an National Security issue as how long could we survive if the middle east cut off the supply? 30 days? 60 days?

It would bring us, the most powerful nation on earth, to our knees.

National Security depends on oil and the idea that we buy oil from our enemies is utterly ridiculous.

We must become energy self sufficient.

Thoughts anyone.....

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Saying that we "buy oil from our enemies" doesn't mean anything.

We buy oil from where it's cheapest, and there's no problem with buying it from the Middle East.

Basically, the slogan of "drill for energy independence" is something that the Republican party came up with to mobilize its neocon base.

If you want some real reasons why we should drill, then click my first link below

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Originally Posted by Skinny. A liberal is just a libertarian who hasn't studied economics.

I think we are basically saying the same thing. I don't disagree. My point however is what do we do if and when they turn off the supply?

The Iranians threatened to do just that last week.

Are you saying they will never do that? If so how do you know that?

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Do you believe everyone we get oil from will shut us off at once?
Most of our oil does not come from the Middle East. We get it from many sources.
Iran is not the main one... Our main Middle East partner is Saudi Arabia... and until they decide they no longer fear Iran and no longer want a lot of money... they'll do business with us.
If not, there's Russia, Mexico, places all over the planet.

It's about as realistic as saying that we need to worry about the world shutting off our food.
"Energy independence" is a political ploy wrapped in protectionist paranoia.

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And I do not need to know.

They won't because they are more interested in making a profit rather than attacking us.

When OPEC used an embargo against the US back in the 70's, they realized that they would hurt their future profits as America developed alternatives to oil and used more efficient technology. If they were to do something like that again, then we would be justified in going for energy independence and alternative forms of energy. But since they've done it once and seen the results, we don't have to worry about them doing it again.

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"It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance.

--Murray Rothbard

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Originally Posted by Skinny. A liberal is just a libertarian who hasn't studied economics.

They don't have to attack us. They can win without firing a shot.

They can afford a loss of revenue much easier then we can deal a shut down of our oil supply.

These people are fanatics and for the most part want us dead.

The Holocaust never happened????? Israel should be wiped off the map???

You seem to hold them in a much higher regard then I.

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You seem to hold the extremists as the majority.



There's more to OPEC than Iran as well.

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"It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance.

--Murray Rothbard

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Originally Posted by Skinny. A liberal is just a libertarian who hasn't studied economics.

Please tell me what middle eastern nation you consider to be friendly to us?

I really am not sure I follow your point as we seem to be on the same page as far as drilling goes.

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They don't even have to be friendly, just not willing to commit economic suicide by cutting off supply like during the OPEC embargo.

But since you asked, their Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and increasingly Iraq, just from the list of OPEC countries in the Middle East.

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"It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance.

--Murray Rothbard

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Originally Posted by Skinny. A liberal is just a libertarian who hasn't studied economics.

I know who the OPEC countries are. I had asked which one do you consider as friends of ours.

Being as wealthy as they are it would be far from suicide to reduce there revenues for a month.

They would still sell their oil just not to us.

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