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Old 07-04-2008, 05:49 AM
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Default Does Fiscal Conservatism actually work?

John McCain has come out and said it. He's a Fiscal Conservative.

Over the last 32 years, there have been 2 Democratic Presidents, and 3 Republican Fiscal Conservatives. The idea of Fiscal Conservatism is lower taxes, smaller government. This is what each of these 3 Fiscal Conservatives promised during their combined 20 years of leadership. They have lowered taxes. What they have failed to do is create smaller government.

Research the history of the National Debt. You will find it has shot up faster and higher under the last 3 Republican "Fiscal Conservatives" than any other President. I recommend this graph, but you can look around yourself. http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.png George W. Bush has pushed the debt past 9 Trillion.

According to an MSN Money article, US Deep in Debt and Still Digging, by Jim Jubak, (found here: http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...llDigging.aspx) each households share of the interest payment on the debt for 2007 was roughly $4300. I checked my 2007 tax return (filed jointly) and discovered that $4300 is 59% of my tax dollars. Checking the IRS 2007 Tax Schedule, I found that for every household filing Jointly, paying taxes on $63,000 Adjusted Gross Income, half of the taxes paid went to pay interest on the National Debt. Not for education, roads, or veteran's benefits. No, interest payments.

I don't know how many households had an joint AGI of $63,000 or less, but I'm willing to bet the number is fairly large. This waste of taxpayer money is a crime that every network doesn't seem to want to report. Why is this personal insult to the middle class not news worthy?
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They got the first part of the memo "Tax less," but the second part was forgotten. " oww and btw don't forget to spend less!"..
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Fiscal conservatism worked before the rise of the maverick neo-conservatives. Neo-conservatives now nothing of smaller government or being fiscally conservative. Look at how much Bush swelled are Federal deficit for crying out loud. Real republicans would try and use diplomacy rather than go straight to war, and would actually try to slim down the government instead of passing legislation for monster bureaucracies (homeland security). Yes, fiscal conservatism works when the person advocating such ideals is a fiscal conservative, to answer you question.
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John McCain has come out and said it. He's a Fiscal Conservative.

Over the last 32 years, there have been 2 Democratic Presidents, and 3 Republican Fiscal Conservatives. The idea of Fiscal Conservatism is lower taxes, smaller government. This is what each of these 3 Fiscal Conservatives promised during their combined 20 years of leadership. They have lowered taxes. What they have failed to do is create smaller government.

Research the history of the National Debt. You will find it has shot up faster and higher under the last 3 Republican "Fiscal Conservatives" than any other President. I recommend this graph, but you can look around yourself. http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.png George W. Bush has pushed the debt past 9 Trillion.

According to an MSN Money article, US Deep in Debt and Still Digging, by Jim Jubak, (found here: http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...llDigging.aspx) each households share of the interest payment on the debt for 2007 was roughly $4300. I checked my 2007 tax return (filed jointly) and discovered that $4300 is 59% of my tax dollars. Checking the IRS 2007 Tax Schedule, I found that for every household filing Jointly, paying taxes on $63,000 Adjusted Gross Income, half of the taxes paid went to pay interest on the National Debt. Not for education, roads, or veteran's benefits. No, interest payments.

I don't know how many households had an joint AGI of $63,000 or less, but I'm willing to bet the number is fairly large. This waste of taxpayer money is a crime that every network doesn't seem to want to report. Why is this personal insult to the middle class not news worthy?
The national debt is not the national budget. *sigh*
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Fiscal conservatism worked before the rise of the maverick neo-conservatives. Neo-conservatives now nothing of smaller government or being fiscally conservative. Look at how much Bush swelled are Federal deficit for crying out loud. Real republicans would try and use diplomacy rather than go straight to war, and would actually try to slim down the government instead of passing legislation for monster bureaucracies (homeland security). Yes, fiscal conservatism works when the person advocating such ideals is a fiscal conservative, to answer you question.
The deficit is determined by people. It is the difference between what we import and export. The government has very little to do with it, and I can't really think of anything directly their fault other than this Boeing vs. Airbus deal, and that's the democrat's fault, since they're the ones in control of congress.
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It works if you're going by principle.

The principle of fiscal conservatism is nobody owes you a God-(*)(*)(*)(*) thing. That the needs of the many are not the concern of the few. Everybody is responsible for themselves. And if we didn't have to pay taxes, we could more readily be self-responsible..

What do I care if someone else is dying cause they can't get the medication they need? I was raised in a poor home, struggling to pay for insulin for my mom's diabetease...


If drugs were less regulated, and taxation was less significant, we could buy that insulin more readily..


And even if that plan didn't work, what do I care? I only worry about my family, I don't give a crap about your's. Like it matters to me if someone's mommy dies of diabetic attack. Probably was some choicer (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) anyway..

Call it cynicism, call it psychosis, but I don't like alot of people. I'd prefer they die. But I cannot predict who is and isn't worth my time and money. I'm not omnipresent. But sense I know there's more losers then winners, it's safe to say if I don't help anyone, I prevent the losers from leeching off my hard-work.


If I were rich I wouldn't donate anything. I might donate at most to earn a tax-break for net-gain in money. I'd walk on the homeless, fund domestic terrorism, and sit in my cushy rich man's chair with my feet on the desk, smoking a cigar, Anri on my lap, and laughing at all those poor schmucks working their ass off only to have me fire them a day before retirement. "Mwahahahaahaha!"


I'm thinking of making a new position on the abortion issue. Some are pro-choice, some are pro-life, but there's a few.. a select few.. who are pro-profit!

Profit is the only reason to live your miserable life and to go through the trouble of even making a choice.
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The deficit is determined by people. It is the difference between what we import and export. The government has very little to do with it, and I can't really think of anything directly their fault other than this Boeing vs. Airbus deal, and that's the democrat's fault, since they're the ones in control of congress.
Yeah, I suppose I should have said national debt rather than federal deficit. Thanks for keeping me sharp. Cheers.

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Yeah, I suppose I should have said national debt rather than federal deficit. Thanks for keeping me sharp. Cheers.
Np.

In regards to the national debt, Bush really did little fiscally conservative, but that is just as much an argument for fiscal conservatism.
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Yeah, it sort of seems like libertarians are the only politicians to offer real fiscal conservatism at this point (and they will never be voted in obviously). Neoconservatives stating fiscal conservatism is such an obtuse statement.
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Doesn't work any better than the rest of conservatism
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