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Old 07-08-2008, 02:31 AM
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Actually from that it sounds like they don't want to finilize some things until bush is out.

Which would mean if McCain wins he might get an easy exit dropped in his lap.

Though if Obama wins he'd make like withdrawl was all about him and not what the Iraqi's wanted, and by extension the results would have been the same if we'd left years earlier.
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Old 07-08-2008, 02:39 AM
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Actually from that it sounds like they don't want to finilize some things until bush is out.

Which would mean if McCain wins he might get an easy exit dropped in his lap.

Though if Obama wins he'd make like withdrawl was all about him and not what the Iraqi's wanted, and by extension the results would have been the same if we'd left years earlier.
whichever the case, it's an out being offered to the USA by the freed iraqis! and an honorable one at that. imo finalize it asap now and continue reducing US military footprint in Iraq.

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The reason the Shia want us out is that the Iraqi military (with hundreds of billions of US taxpayer dollars) has been upgraded to the point that as soon as the US leaves it can be unleashed on Sunni population. The Shia intend to have payback time for the 40 years of brutal Sunni domination under Saddam. Meanwhile, Iran will be the major power in the region.

This quixotic mission turned out to be a complete disaster.
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The reason the Shia want us out is that the Iraqi military (with hundreds of billions of US taxpayer dollars) has been upgraded to the point that as soon as the US leaves it can be unleashed on Sunni population. The Shia intend to have payback time for the 40 years of brutal Sunni domination under Saddam. Meanwhile, Iran will be the major power in the region.

This quixotic mission turned out to be a complete disaster.
So we have to be there even longer?
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this is a good thing and actually means were and the iraqis are winning there. it shows that the surge has worked and that the end is near there.
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this is a good thing and actually means were and the iraqis are winning there. it shows that the surge has worked and that the end is near there.
That's a great perspective. The only thing left is to embrace their offer. For this election, it is such a potential game changer. If they decide not to accept this gift presented on a golden platter, it will speak volumes for their real motives.

Oddly, it will also inflame the hard right wing base of the party.

Is John McCain truly a maverick? I guess we'll soon find out.
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The reason the Shia want us out is that the Iraqi military (with hundreds of billions of US taxpayer dollars) has been upgraded to the point that as soon as the US leaves it can be unleashed on Sunni population. The Shia intend to have payback time for the 40 years of brutal Sunni domination under Saddam.
Payback's a b*tch!
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In a rebuff to Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, the Pentagon said Monday that any timetable for a US withdrawal from Iraq would depend on conditions on the ground there.

Maliki told Arab ambassadors on Monday he was pressing for such a timetable in negotiations with Washington on an agreement on the status of US forces in Iraq beyond 2008.

Asked about the prime minister's comments, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman told reporters: "With respect to timetables I would say the same thing I would say as respects to the security situation -- it is dependent on conditions on the ground."
I guess the conditions on the ground trump the will of the people.
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John McCain just made a statement that parroted the Pentagon's statement. The White House is basically ignoring the statement.

As I predicted, he passed on the opportunity to announce a timetable for withdrawal, in keeping with the wishes of the Iraqi people.

Many if not most have seen us as occupiers from the start. If that was in question in any body's mind, this makes it official.

Republicans should be angry. They missed a huge opportunity. McCain shows again he is more Bush than Maverick.
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I think (no source) that Bush has on more than one occasion stated point blank that if the Iraqi people voted to make our troops get out, and Maliki told Bush it was time to go, Bush would comply in a heartbeat.
How do the Iraqi people vote to send the troops home? Even in their first election not one person voted for an actual candidate. Could you imagine that elsewhere. You can vote for a party now but we'll decide which candidates to put in later. Iraq has not seen a real election since the occupation.
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