Iraq wants us out - Page 4

lavell12 · #31 (**permalink**) 07-08-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by siddhartha

John McCain just made a statement that parroted the Pentagon's statement. The White House is basically ignoring the statement.

As I predicted, he passed on the opportunity to announce a timetable for withdrawal, in keeping with the wishes of the Iraqi people.

Many if not most have seen us as occupiers from the start. If that was in question in any body's mind, this makes it official.

Republicans should be angry. They missed a huge opportunity. McCain shows again he is more Bush than Maverick.

since bush has low approval i think being like bush would make him a maverick.

lavell12 · #32 (**permalink**) 07-08-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuatara

How do the Iraqi people vote to send the troops home? Even in their first election not one person voted for an actual candidate. Could you imagine that elsewhere. You can vote for a party now but we'll decide which candidates to put in later. Iraq has not seen a real election since the occupation.

well that is a lot closer than any election before unless you actually believe that saddam had fair elections.

DuH2 · #33 (**permalink**) 07-08-2008, 01:44 PM

Now its the wishes of the Iraqi people.

Lets just make things up and distort meaning...

Tuatara · #34 (**permalink**) 07-08-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lavell12

well that is a lot closer than any election before unless you actually believe that saddam had fair elections.

Saddam didn't have fair elections but because he didn't allow them doesn't mean we should embrace the current situation. You are aware that the people of Iraq were on their way to starting a grassroots style election right after US soldiers arrived in Baghdad but it was scrapped by the US?

lavell12 · #35 (**permalink**) 07-08-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuatara

Saddam didn't have fair elections but because he didn't allow them doesn't mean we should embrace the current situation. You are aware that the people of Iraq were on their way to starting a grassroots style election right after US soldiers arrived in Baghdad but it was scrapped by the US?

that would have been so unstable it would have never worked. i think the elections in iraq have been a major success story.

siddhartha · #36 (**permalink**) 07-08-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by lavell12

that would have been so unstable it would have never worked. i think the elections in iraq have been a major success story.

For who? The Iraqi people or the the Bush administration?

Drewster · #37 (**permalink**) 07-08-2008, 02:38 PM

Sorry for the spelling errors from the previous post, was late and I had a bit to drink

Is there a timetable to edit your posts or something? I can't edit it.

Tuatara · #38 (**permalink**) 07-08-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by lavell12

that would have been so unstable it would have never worked.

You give the people of Iraq less credit than they deserve. It would be foolish to not allow a country their own system of democracy because you feel it would be unstable.

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i think the elections in iraq have been a major success story.

How so? Like I said before would you consider elections in your country a success if you couldn't vote for any candidates? You could still hold up a purple finger though.

paragon · #39 (**permalink**) 07-08-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Drewster

Lets not worry about what the majority of the people in a country that isn't yet a well oiled democratic. Lets worry about a country that is democratic, and has overwhelmingly said it wants to get out of the war. How can Bush worry about the majority rule of another country and not his own? Is the USA a "failed state" or something? What is going on? Bush's respect for another country's desires are undercut by ignoring his own country's.

I guess what I'm trying to say is: A more important/suitable title for this thread (when looking at Bush's perspective in particular) is "American wants us out".

This is not a direct democracy. It is a republic. Decisions are not made because of opinion polls (which are inherently slanted to one side of the other due to a variety of factors, by the way). You vote for people who you think best represent your views and are most likely to get done what you want done. All America has to do is vote in Congressmen who want out of Iraq and then Congress will push the issue because they generally have to listen to the people and do what they want to get reelected... OH WAIT Americans already did that and Democratic majority Congress didn't do anything about it.

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