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This should play into Obama's hands.

Of course, if McCain/Bush had one brain between the two of them they would embrace this request, declare victory and announce a time line in respect for the wishes of the Iraqi people.

But they don't.

They'll continue trying to convince the world that things are going really really really well - just not well enough to pull any Americans out.

The Iraqi people have long wanted the US out according to every public poll conducted. If the Americans went to Iraq to establish democracy and give voice to the will of the people, than it seems a little hypocritical that they're ignoring one of the the Iraqi peoples most fundamental desires.

I think (no source) that Bush has on more than one occasion stated point blank that if the Iraqi people voted to make our troops get out, and Maliki told Bush it was time to go, Bush would comply in a heartbeat.

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Los Angeles voters=dumber than rocks.

I would go as far as say that more than a "handful" of times, Bush has said this. Perhaps we're just dealing with neo-socialists' tragically subjective thinking.

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Here's a source:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/...gwb.php?page=3
Case closed.

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Are any of you saying that tomorrow, George W. Bush or John McCain will announce their intent to set a time line for withdrawal? What if the general's view of the situation on the ground is different than the Iraqi's view?

This would not be a timetable set by Bush or McCain. It would be set by the government of Iraq. Of course our generals would go with it, because we've said time and time again, that we would defer to the will of the Iraqi government. What part of this don't neo-socialists understand?

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"I should be calling collect from jail for the things I commit each night in my head" - D. Mustaine.

Who and what are these neo socialists to which you refer? Do you feel that labeling or name calling will give your argument added legitimacy? If you must, go ahead, it just seems that it's more a sign of insecurity, to me.

The Iraqi government has voiced a desire for our departure in the past. Bush has made promises in the past and not lived up to them. Many, actually.

I will anxiously await a response from Mr. McCain and Mr. Bush.

Glad to see you changed you mind.

Oh, but y'all have NO problem labelling the right-wingers as "Neo-cons," right?

Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

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