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I am quite sure that I am not alone in the belief that American citizens are fed up with property tax, but also know that it is there to bring funds in for roads and such.

I believe we can obtain these funds elsewhere, and firmly believe that property tax is the biggest slap in the fact to those who live in this constitutional republic.

If a man buys 5 acres of land and places a small house on it, he never owns his own land. Because if this man becomes disabled or loses his job, and cannot pay the taxes on the land, he loses everything. So infact the man never owns his land, he is merly leasing it from the government.

I wouldn't be against a small tax on people who buy up hundreds of acres for the sole purpose of just owning it, or hordeing it for hunting purposes, but even that tax would be minimal, and seizure would not be possible. No person should ever have their land taken from them by the government.

I would like to see what opinions many of you have, and solutions to an alternative to property tax.
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If a man buys 5 acres of land and places a small house on it, he never owns his own land. Because if this man becomes disabled or loses his job, and cannot pay the taxes on the land, he loses everything. So infact the man never owns his land, he is merly leasing it from the government.
That's a fallacy. He only "loses everything" if the amount owed in taxes exceeds the value of the land. Otherwise, while he might be forced to sell assets (including land) in order to pay his debts (including taxes), he gets to keep whatever amount is left over after paying off his debts. That's because the land (and its value) belongs to him, not the government.

My house is worth about $300,000, and my property taxes are about $3,000 a year. I'd have to refuse to pay property taxes for 100 years before I "lost everything" through failure to pay taxes.
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That's a fallacy. He only "loses everything" if the amount owed in taxes exceeds the value of the land. Otherwise, while he might be forced to sell assets (including land) in order to pay his debts (including taxes), he gets to keep whatever amount is left over after paying off his debts. That's because the land (and its value) belongs to him, not the government.

My house is worth about $300,000, and my property taxes are about $3,000 a year. I'd have to refuse to pay property taxes for 100 years before I "lost everything" through failure to pay taxes.

That is very reasonable compared to around here. If I extrapolate your figures and use my tax rates you would be paying about 4800 to 5000 in our town.

Hell I paid amost $ 500 on my newer car a couple years ago and I am not talking about a Mercedes or Lexus or Jag!!!!Just a good American car/SUV built by Henry !!!
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That is very reasonable compared to around here. If I extrapolate your figures and use my tax rates you would be paying about 4800 to 5000 in our town.

Hell I paid amost $ 500 on my newer car a couple years ago and I am not talking about a Mercedes or Lexus or Jag!!!!Just a good American car/SUV built by Henry !!!
move to taxationland Maine and pay even more
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That is very reasonable compared to around here. If I extrapolate your figures and use my tax rates you would be paying about 4800 to 5000 in our town.
Yeah, taxes are hell out there in New England.
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So you want to move state and local tax bases onto income and sales tax?

It isn't unconstitutional, to the contrary it is exactly constitutional. I suppose you mean that it is against the spirit of this republic, which I understand your point, but I disagree.
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That's a fallacy. He only "loses everything" if the amount owed in taxes exceeds the value of the land. Otherwise, while he might be forced to sell assets (including land) in order to pay his debts (including taxes), he gets to keep whatever amount is left over after paying off his debts. That's because the land (and its value) belongs to him, not the government.

My house is worth about $300,000, and my property taxes are about $3,000 a year. I'd have to refuse to pay property taxes for 100 years before I "lost everything" through failure to pay taxes.
Yeah, that would be nice to pay $3,000 a year on a house and land worth $300,000. Here in Michigan, if you have 2 acres of land and a 1,600 sq. ft. house your looking at paying around 1,400. That value is based roughly on a house worth $80,000 sitting on 2 acres worth about $4,000.

Look, the point is that taxing someone's land is very much against what our founding fathers had mapped out for us. We have the right to land, and if the government taxes that land, it is never really ours now is it. Because they have the right to "make you sell it" or flat out take it from you.

There has to be a better way to generate that revenue. Hell, as much money that our government blows away for nothing, we could abolish allot of the tax burden on the public.

Even with your argument, you still owe that money, and they have the legal right to make you sell it. Which means its not really yours at all. You cant just decide to live on your land, live off the land, and never leave it can you? No, you have to go out and work to pay the government so you can stay on it or they take it from you.

Only a liberal would come up with such nonsense. I'll take freedom for $400 Alex!
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So you want to move state and local tax bases onto income and sales tax?

It isn't unconstitutional, to the contrary it is exactly constitutional. I suppose you mean that it is against the spirit of this republic, which I understand your point, but I disagree.
I guess that depends on how you look at the constitution, and our right to land. But you must be on the loony left side, as I take that much from your comment. Its one thing to tax commerce, but its another to tax one's property. How would you like it if I told you that its time to pay me $1,000 a year to keep your car, or I take it and sell it to pay off your debt to me. You would more than likely tell me to shove off. The same applies to a person's land. And in Connecticut, you have to pay taxes on your vehicle, ain't that a lovely state.
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I am quite sure that I am not alone in the belief that American citizens are fed up with property tax, but also know that it is there to bring funds in for roads and such.

I believe we can obtain these funds elsewhere, and firmly believe that property tax is the biggest slap in the fact to those who live in this constitutional republic.

If a man buys 5 acres of land and places a small house on it, he never owns his own land. Because if this man becomes disabled or loses his job, and cannot pay the taxes on the land, he loses everything. So infact the man never owns his land, he is merly leasing it from the government.

I wouldn't be against a small tax on people who buy up hundreds of acres for the sole purpose of just owning it, or hordeing it for hunting purposes, but even that tax would be minimal, and seizure would not be possible. No person should ever have their land taken from them by the government.

I would like to see what opinions many of you have, and solutions to an alternative to property tax.
A property tax is no different from any other tax. Either pay your fair contribution to society or go bankrupt.

What's your point?
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