I wake up every single morning with the thankful knowledge I'm not a libertarian!No hah not really dont anyone become to irate that was mostly a joke.what i really do want to say is that idealogically im probably the biggest opposite of a libertarian in political tests i usually come out a statist or a liberal, ( even though im no statist) I dont side with libertarians on gun control, economics, foreign policy, campaign finance, drugs , healthcare, welfare, and almost anything else imaginable. But at he same time I'm interested in hearing arguments for or against libertarianism on any issue just to open up some good discussion on this political ideology.

Could you expound upon this? For example, help me out and simply list your stance on each of those topics.

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Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. – H.L. Mencken

I refuse to trade humanity for patriotism.

Libertarianism - the freedom to starve

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"I think the deregulation was probably helpful to the growth of our economy."
-Sen. John McCain 09/22/2008

Sure

1. Gun control-I take the position that 4 of our 9 justices of the supreme court took. That basically we dont need a well regulated militia any longer therefore not needing to guarantee the right of arms. That obviously isnt exactly what our justices said. But they voted for D.C s right to ban guns.

2.Economics- I'm a Keynesian nuff said really.

3.Foreign policy-I dont support non interventionism as a proper way to uphold peace and security.

4. I believe Campaign finance is able to be to be heavily regulated not necessarily that i always support it but i believe that as money imo is not speech it is perfectly acceptable to regulate it.

5.Drugs-I dont want them legalized not even marijuana by legalizing after in the past saying its bad we condone it. Parents try to keep drugs from their kids why make it harder for them?I must admit i got that particular idea about parents from the West Wing ( such a good show)

6.Healthcare- I support universalized healthcare.

7.I support the idea of welfare i realize our particular system has many flaws but i think that there is alot to lose by getting rid of it. I believe helping the less fortunate is admirable and necessary to society.

obviously i can expand further but these are some of the basics.Hope it helps.

Libertarianism is the most idealistic and out of touch ideology I can think of. The idea of letting the people do what they want with little to no government interference is plain stupid. If you ask the hard working poor in the country if they support Libertarianism they would slap you in the face.

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy...the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. ~John Kenneth Galbraith

Some men change their party for the sake of their principles; others their principles for the sake of their party. ~Winston Churchill

The Christian Right is neither

Or we could let other people decide for themselves what they want to do.

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"It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance.

--Murray Rothbard

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Originally Posted by Skinny. A liberal is just a libertarian who hasn't studied economics.

I was wondering when youd pop up fox.

So you are saying gay marriage and abortion should be legal?

The concept of universalized healthcare, for example, is not an issue of government making decisions for them. It's a matter of being able to afford basic healthcare.

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy...the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. ~John Kenneth Galbraith

Some men change their party for the sake of their principles; others their principles for the sake of their party. ~Winston Churchill

The Christian Right is neither

Libertarianism is such a rational political philosophy that they attract a whopping one or two percent of the population since it was invented.

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"I think the deregulation was probably helpful to the growth of our economy."
-Sen. John McCain 09/22/2008

Yes if healthcare people wouldnt be able to get healthcare eve in if they WANTED to.