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Old 07-10-2008, 07:12 AM
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Let's not forget the Oil-for-Food scandal where UN officials were paid off. Plus, let us also not forget Russia warning Iraq of our invasion plans. Also, let us not forget that the USA was not the only intel community that said Iraq had WMDs - there were close to a dozen others that also said what the USA said.
I don't see the relevancy of this point. What does it have to do with Bush's legion of lies on Iraq?
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If that's the case, then why is Bush saying unequivocally that Iraq is working with Al Qaeda?

That's called fraud b/c he is cherrypicking which information he's telling the american people.
There's some intel that can't be released to the public - whether it proves anything or not
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I don't see the relevancy of this point. What does it have to do with Bush's legion of lies on Iraq?
I wouldn't trust the UN as far as I could throw Mr. Blix. I know Intel failed us on some things (being a former Intel Analyst), but I've done so much research on Saddam and I'm glad we went in. I know in '05 we were kicking ass and making major headway, but since I have been home and away from the SIPRNET I don't the true picture. I've heard the Iraqi Army is doing better than previously thought. I'm rambling, but I know #3 could be disputed.

Keep posting the lies. I'd like to see them.
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There's some intel that can't be released to the public - whether it proves anything or not
So why is Bush telling America that Iraq is a sponsor of Al Qaeda when his own intelligence agencies were, at best, uncertain of that proposition?

Sounds like cherrypicking to me.
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So why is Bush telling America that Iraq is a sponsor of Al Qaeda when his own intelligence agencies were, at best, uncertain of that proposition?

Sounds like cherrypicking to me.
B/c someone said that it was accurate. There were many times that my boss put his butt on the line because I said it was indisputable. Thank God I was good otherwise I'd still be a Private.
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I wouldn't trust the UN as far as I could throw Mr. Blix. I know Intel failed us on some things (being a former Intel Analyst), but I've done so much research on Saddam and I'm glad we went in. I know in '05 we were kicking ass and making major headway, but since I have been home and away from the SIPRNET I don't the true picture. I've heard the Iraqi Army is doing better than previously thought. ...
Keep posting the lies. I'd like to see them.
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I'm rambling, but I know #3 could be disputed.
If that point can be disputed, why is Bush characterizing it as rock solid fact?

That's another Bush lie. An omission of countervailing information is fraud.
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B/c someone said that it was accurate. There were many times that my boss put his butt on the line because I said it was indisputable. Thank God I was good otherwise I'd still be a Private.
What do you do for a living?

I'd wager that your job description doesn't include the singular presidential power to order the US military to attack another country.

Anecdotal evidence really doesn't disprove Bush's lies, does it?
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There is a big difference between saying Iraq was working with AQ than Iraq was behind 9/11. Bush said Iraq was working with AQ which is correct but never said it was behind 9/11. It was twisted to mean the same thing when he said it but that isn't what he said.
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Decker, I'll be back in a little bit. I have to take some vehicles to the main post. I'll reply in a few hours.
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There is a big difference between saying Iraq was working with AQ than Iraq was behind 9/11. Bush said Iraq was working with AQ which is correct but never said it was behind 9/11. It was twisted to mean the same thing when he said it but that isn't what he said.
Bush made both claims and both claims are lies.

Bush Lie #5 (Note: There're so many more than 55 lies by Bush)

Statement: "After the chaos and carnage of September the 11th, it is not enough to serve our enemies with legal papers. The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States, and war is what they got. Some in this chamber, and in our country, did not support the liberation of Iraq."

Fact:Iraq did not attack the US on 9/11.

Lie:Bush characterizes the illegal invasion of Iraq as a legitimate act of self defense against Iraq which attacked us on 9/11. Iraq did not attack the US on 9/11.
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