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Old 07-10-2008, 07:32 AM
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Old 07-10-2008, 07:56 AM
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Bush Lie #6

Statement: "But the risk of doing nothing, the risk of the security of this country being jeopardized at the hands of a madman with weapons of mass destruction far exceeds the risks of any action we may be forced to take."
Source: President Meets with National Economic Council, White House (2/25/2003).

Fact: This statement was misleading because it suggested that Iraq posed an urgent threat despite the fact that the U.S. intelligence community had deep divisions and divergent points of view regarding Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. As Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet noted in February 2004, "Let me be clear: analysts differed on several important aspects of these programs and those debates were spelled out in the Estimate. They never said there was an 'imminent' threat."

Lie: The CIA concluded Iraq was not an imminent threat. Yet in spite of the ongoing WMD inspections in Iraq, here's Bush telling America that Hussein has WMDs and is a grave threat to the US. That is counter to the best evidence available--the findings of the WMD inspectors--and as such, is a lie.
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So why is Bush telling America that Iraq is a sponsor of Al Qaeda when his own intelligence agencies were, at best, uncertain of that proposition?
Uncertain?

That would seem to imply that their opinion was not conclusive.


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Sounds like cherrypicking to me.
I don't even necessarily disagree with that. But that is not a lie. That is bias.

This is a common theme throughout your examples...you make the assumption that bias is the same thing as lying. It is not.
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Bush Lie #6

Statement: "Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents, lethal viruses, and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other planes -- this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known."
Source: President Delivers "State of the Union", White House (1/28/2003).

Fact: This statement was misleading because it evoked the threat of Iraq providing terrorists who would attack the United States with weapons of mass destruction. According to the National Intelligence Estimate, the intelligence community had "low confidence" in that scenario, and Iraq appeared to be "drawing a line short of conducting terrorist attacks" against the United States for fear of providing cause for war. This statement also was misleading because by referencing the September 11 attacks in conjunction with discussion of the war on terror in Iraq, it left the impression that Iraq was connected to September 11. In fact, President Bush himself in September 2003 acknowledge that "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th."

Lie: Bush is selecting evidence that portrays Iraq as a US threat without mentioning the countervailing evidence. That's a lie of omission.

Bush ties IRaq to the attacks of 9/11. That's another distortion that's fraud.

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Decker do you have sources to back up your rediculous arguments?
You doubt the actual quotes? I provide the context--time and place--Bush spoke these quotes. Do a search.

Or, as I posted before, click on the link in the first post of this thread. I'm also pulling some of the quotes from other sources.

Go ahead and debunk Bush's own words. Show me I'm misstating what he'd said to the American people.
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Bush Lie #7

Statement: "Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production."
Source: President Delivers "State of the Union", White House (1/28/2003).

Fact: This statement was misleading because it suggested that Iraq sought aluminum tubes for use in its nuclear weapons program, failing to mention that the government’s most experienced technical experts at the U.S. Department of Energy concluded that the tubes were "poorly suited" for this purpose.

Lie: Here's Bush lying about the use for the aluminum tubes. He says its for nuclear weapons and the expert said they are not. That's a lie based on the best evidence available b/c he states the exact opposite conclusion.

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Bush made both claims and both claims are lies.

Bush Lie #5 (Note: There're so many more than 55 lies by Bush)

Statement: "After the chaos and carnage of September the 11th, it is not enough to serve our enemies with legal papers. The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States, and war is what they got. Some in this chamber, and in our country, did not support the liberation of Iraq."

Fact:Iraq did not attack the US on 9/11.

Lie:Bush characterizes the illegal invasion of Iraq as a legitimate act of self defense against Iraq which attacked us on 9/11. Iraq did not attack the US on 9/11.

once again he didn't say 9/11 was caused by Iraq and Iraq did meet with top AQ leaders.
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once again he didn't say 9/11 was caused by Iraq and Iraq did meet with top AQ leaders.
Yes he did.

Innuendo is still legally actionable.

Fraud is Fraud.
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Bush Lie #8

Statement: "Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda. Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help develop their own."
Source: President Delivers "State of the Union", White House (1/28/2003).

Fact: This statement was misleading because it evoked the threat of Iraq providing weapons to al Qaeda. According to the National Intelligence Estimate, the intelligence community had "low confidence" in that scenario.

Lie: Here's Bush exaggerating the conclusion of a report. He lied. Notice how Bush NEVER lies about Iraq not being a threat or not being in league with Al Qaeda. He knew what he was doing with his lies.
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