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Old 07-13-2008, 09:49 PM
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US President George W. Bush long has vowed that the United States would leave Iraq if asked by Baghdad's leadership, but now that the request has been made, Bush is in no hurry to exit.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080713...militaryunrest

What is the real motivation behind this?


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Even though I usually don't like the term "flip-flop" because reasonable people change their perspective as new information becomes available, this one does look like a flip-flop.
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US President George W. Bush long has vowed that the United States would leave Iraq if asked by Baghdad's leadership, but now that the request has been made, Bush is in no hurry to exit.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080713...militaryunrest

What is the real motivation behind this?


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Obviously, you haven't spent any time researching the issue, have you?

Maliki has asked that the next extension include a withdrawal timetable -- duh! The two governments are meeting now, trying to figure out a timetable that enables the Maliki government to be able to control the security of Iraq.

Once again -- half truths.
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What really matters at this point is: what are the relative positions of McCain and Obama on an exit date? Will McCain stick by his "hundred years" remark, and will Obama stick to the timetable he's set up?

There will be no withdrawal during the current administration's reign.

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Obviously, you haven't spent any time researching the issue, have you?

Maliki has asked that the next extension include a withdrawal timetable -- duh! The two governments are meeting now, trying to figure out a timetable that enables the Maliki government to be able to control the security of Iraq.

Once again -- half truths.
really, i thought the pentagon, which the shrub commands, objected to the withdrawal request and/or a timetable:
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Maliki Calls for Timetable for US Troop Withdrawal
Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has for the first time publicly called for a timetable for the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq. The Bush administration has been secretly negotiating a long-term agreement with Iraq that would allow the US to keep permanent military bases in Iraq. But al-Maliki said Iraq only wants to sign a short-term agreement that includes a withdrawal timetable. Al-Maliki said, “The goal is to end the presence of foreign troops.” In Washington, the Bush administration rebuffed Maliki’s request. Pentagon spokesperson Bryan Whitman criticized timelines as “artificial.” State Department spokesperson Sean McCormack questioned whether Maliki might have been misquoted.
http://i2.democracynow.org/2008/7/8/headlines

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...On4akMaodYYcqQ

maliki needs to be able to show he is not a puppet

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In 2007, Bush promised Iraq withdrawal if asked by Maliki: ‘I don’t see how we could stay.’
Yesterday, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said he would like to set a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops. Today, however, the Bush administration rejected the timetable. In an April 24, 2007 interview with Charlie Rose, however, President said he would remove troops if asked by Iraq, but he predicted that Maliki would not ask for a withdrawal:
ROSE: But if he said get out now, we don’t want you anymore–
BUSH: I don’t see how we could stay. It is his country.
ROSE: But if he said that, it would lead to the catastrophe that you have suggested.
BUSH: That’s why he’s not going to say it.
ROSE: You don’t think he’ll say it?
BUSH: I don’t. No, I don’t.
“[W]e’re looking at conditions, not calendars here,” State Department spokeperson Gonzalo Gallegos said today.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/08/...stay%E2%80%99/

the ball is now in our court. do we provide a timetable and give maliki cover or do we refuse to leave when asked and prove once again that our president is a liar
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What really matters at this point is: what are the relative positions of McCain and Obama on an exit date? Will McCain stick by his "hundred years" remark, and will Obama stick to the timetable he's set up?
Before you ask, I suggest you review the context of McCain's 100 year remark -- you are misrepresenting it.
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really, i thought the pentagon, which the shrub commands, objected to the withdrawal request and/or a timetable:

the ball is now in our court. do we provide a timetable and give maliki cover or do we refuse to leave when asked and prove once again that our president is a liar
Actually, you're right -- sorta.

The military doesn't want to be stuck with an arbitrary timetable that isn't responsive to the situation on the ground.

Maliki wants to have a timetable so that he can show the Iraqis he isn't a puppet.

Both of them are valid .... it's just a matter of giving a timetable, with enough soft wording that will enable Maliki to back off when the time comes, or enough concrete conditions that the military can leave with confidence that the Iraqi security forces can hold the fort.
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Obviously, you haven't spent any time researching the issue, have you?

Maliki has asked that the next extension include a withdrawal timetable -- duh! The two governments are meeting now, trying to figure out a timetable that enables the Maliki government to be able to control the security of Iraq.

Once again -- half truths.
Seems fishy to me that now with an election on the line Maliki would ask for a timetable. Why now 113 days away from our election?
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I'm sure McCain didn't mean 100 years necessarily. The truth be told he probably meant for 100 years or until their oil runs out, whichever comes first! LOL!

This McCain quote is even more telling -
"My friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about, which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East that will — that will then prevent us — that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East."
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Seems fishy to me that now with an election on the line Maliki would ask for a timetable. Why now 113 days away from our election?
It's an interesting question. You would think that Maliki is very interested in how our election goes. But, assuming he doesn't want Obama, his request would seem to undermine McCain. But, I guess his first concern is staying in office himself -- LOL.

The timing, however, is more coincidental than anything. The Status Of Forces Agreement was up for negotiation, because the UN resolution is due to expire at the end of the year.
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