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Old 07-14-2008, 10:59 AM
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The American flag is the representation of the sacrifices made by those who fought and gave all for freedom. IMHO. The statement that freedom isn't free is so true! So many americans take it for granted that the freedoms we so value, comes easily from those armchair quarterbacks who have invested nothing into their country but complaints.
And all too often people take for granted the importance of "complaints" in preserving these freedoms.
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The flag for many represents the foundation of the new experiment in the world that allowed the people to rule their government. So many have died to preserve our nations freedom, the flag stands as the emblem of that sacrifice.
And also as the ability of people to continually refine this great experiment... which means some might be able to question the importance of symbols.

BTW isn't it possible for somebody to respect those who died for the country without caring one way or the other about a flag?
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Old 07-14-2008, 11:02 AM
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...or, it's a way of saying, "LOOKEE HERE! ME SO PATRIOTICKER THAN YOU!"

Flag, Flag, Eagle, Flag. It's like 27 pieces of flair.

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Old 07-14-2008, 11:10 AM
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I find myself nodding in agreement regarding Rick Shenkman's writings. Myths are nice and important to our lives but having them questioned is so unsettling. Especially if you add this great tool called the internet in which you can actually look up your details. This can be scary stuff to some of our basic beliefs when our heroes are shown to be pretty human.

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My Dad used to wear a flag lapel pin. He was a WWII vet.

I like the broad sweeping statement that everyone who wears a flag pin or respects the colors during the National Anthem is somehow a "phony".

Frankly it's projection, intolerance and ignorance all rolled into one.
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Old 07-14-2008, 11:13 AM
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I like the broad sweeping statement that everyone who wears a flag pin or respects the colors during the National Anthem is somehow a "phony".

Frankly it's projection, intolerance and ignorance all rolled into one.
I agree.
But the same is true when people assume not waving a flag is somehow anti-patriotic.
Everyone has their own way of showing respect.

Now that said, when politicians and political groups wave flags or not... I'm more likely to assume the former is a stunt than the latter a sign of anti-patriotism.
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I agree.
But the same is true when people assume not waving a flag is somehow anti-patriotic.
Everyone has their own way of showing respect.

Now that said, when politicians and political groups wave flags or not... I'm more likely to assume the former is a stunt than the latter a sign of anti-patriotism.
I'm not arguing that. The Liberal wants American citizens to be ashamed of themselves or something.

Good luck with that.

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Old 07-14-2008, 11:18 AM
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I'm not arguing that. The Liberal wants American citizens to be ashamed of themselves or something.

Good luck with that.
I didn't think that was your argument... but it is a pretty common argument and a lot of the hostility from the left is a direct reaction to that.
It's another situation where each side escalates the other.
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Old 07-14-2008, 11:24 AM
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I didn't think that was your argument... but it is a pretty common argument and a lot of the hostility from the left is a direct reaction to that.
It's another situation where each side escalates the other.
I'm arguing with another person, on another thread on this specific issue.

That America has nothing but a shameful past and present; that we should all hang our heads in disgust at what "we've" done.

It's taught on most liberal college campuses; America has a legacy of corruption.
It's better to burn the flag then fly it.
It's left over hippie crap from the 60's.

The aging baby boomers have always had chips on their shoulders.
Frankly the worst generation in American history as far as I'm concerned.

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I'm arguing with another person, on another thread on this specific issue.

That America has nothing but a shameful past and present; that we should all hang our heads in disgust at what "we've" done..
Well, we should be ashamed of the actions we've done that are bad, proud of those that are good.

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It's taught on most liberal college campuses; America has a legacy of corruption.
It's better to burn the flag then fly it.
It's left over hippie crap from the 60's.
I've rarely actually seen that.
In any cases where I've seen profs accentuating the negative it's because otherwise no one would talk about it.
And I've never seen any take it to the level of saying we should burn the flag.

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The aging baby boomers have always had chips on their shoulders.
Frankly the worst generation in American history as far as I'm concerned.
Wait a couple. You may be proven wrong.
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I love my country. I served for nearly 9 years under my flag before an injury ended my military career.

And I get just as angry at the people who use the flag to prove out "patrioticky" they are as I do at the people who burn it.
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Pretty funny stuff. You change your argument to something else. What myth are you perpetrating?



Its not! "Acting" on the principles and accepting them is more effective than showing affection for the flag.



That's a myth and your perpetrating that myth actually is showing that you don't understand the concept of free speech or free thinking. It bothers me that someone would think showing affection for a piece of cloth equals showing affection for your nation which is both "liberal" "conservative" and whatever. You would show more by trying to understand all views instead of simply twisting them to fit your own view. How is respecting different points of view equal twisting them to appear less patriotic? Reread the article again and you will see yourself.

What is the flag if not a symbol that represents our nation?
Enlighten me genius, what is the flag for?
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