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Old 07-14-2008, 01:03 PM
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Don't kid yourself!
Same to you. Bush and the GOP owns the Iraq war. It's YOUR baby.
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I never said that disrespecting the flag was disreapecting any individual person, but you thought I did, aparently!
No, I said I was confused about what this even meant, and you could actually try to explain it or maybe say you meant this for another thread or something.


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It is disrespecting a nation and its principles, Reading comprehension classes may be in order.
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No, I said I was confused about what this even meant, and you could actually try to explain it or maybe say you meant this for another thread or something.
OK I'll try again. The flag is the symbol of the nation.

Symbol Definition:

Something that represents something else by association, resemblance, or convention, especially a material object used to represent something invisible.

So when you disrespect the symbolic item that represents the nation, you disrespect the nation and its founding principles.
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I would never burn a flag.

Unless a law was passed prohibiting burning the flag.

Then I'd be obligated to.
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Old 07-14-2008, 01:33 PM
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OK I'll try again. The flag is the symbol of the nation.

Symbol Definition:

Something that represents something else by association, resemblance, or convention, especially a material object used to represent something invisible.

So when you disrespect the symbolic item that represents the nation, you disrespect the nation and its founding principles.
Yes, you are telling me what a symbol is, but what you are leaving out is what makes a symbol. A symbol doesn't become a symbol:

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unless you choose to make it that way

.................because you are trying to represent something that is "invisible" and because its that way, it allows you to play with what that "object" should mean.

That's not reading comprehension, that's a reasoning skill that recognizes that an invisible object is symbolized individually by each person. Shenkman's article also mentioned this:

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Flag myths in particular appeal to us because of our deep-seated fear that our diversity may be a weakness rather than a strength.
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I'm arguing with another person, on another thread on this specific issue.

That America has nothing but a shameful past and present; that we should all hang our heads in disgust at what "we've" done.

It's taught on most liberal college campuses; America has a legacy of corruption.
It's better to burn the flag then fly it.
It's left over hippie crap from the 60's.

The aging baby boomers have always had chips on their shoulders.
Frankly the worst generation in American history as far as I'm concerned.
I got called on the baby boomers bashing, so I'll rescind that statement.

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Yes, you are telling me what a symbol is, but what you are leaving out is what makes a symbol. A symbol doesn't become a symbol::
The definition of symbol answers that! The flag represents our nation! It was created for that purpose and it is widely accepted that the American Flag is a symbol of our country!


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.................because you are trying to represent something that is "invisible" and because its that way, it allows you to play with what that "object" should mean. ::
You're not drunk are you?
An object is a physical and tangible thing. Do I really have to post that definition too?


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That's not reading comprehension, that's a reasoning skill that recognizes that an invisible object is symbolized individually by each person. Shenkman's article also mentioned this:
It can be individually symbolized, but the flag is a universal symbol, and other symbols are unneccessary because the founding principles are black and white and actually in writing! Once again, the flag is not a symbol of what is happening now, what happened last decade, or what will happen in the next decade! It is a symbol of our nation and its founding principles which are objective, finite, and unchanging!
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The definition of symbol answers that! The flag represents our nation! It was created for that purpose and it is widely accepted that the American Flag is a symbol of our country!




You're not drunk are you?
An object is a physical and tangible thing. Do I really have to post that definition too?




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But its only a symbol. Better to have the real thing.

Note: the "object" I was referring to is this part of your post:

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used to represent something invisible
Why is it that when you don't understand what's I saying, you turn it into first "reading comprehension" and then "being drunk". Can you stick to a discussion without adding some kind of an insult because I don't agree with you? Where is that "respect" you are claiming to show that is part of this nation's belief of freedom of speech? Or is that reserved only for someone who agrees with you?
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It can be individually symbolized, but the flag is a universal symbol, and other symbols are unneccessary because the founding principles are black and white and actually in writing! Once again, the flag is not a symbol of what is happening now, what happened last decade, or what will happen in the next decade! It is a symbol of our nation and its founding principles which are objective, finite, and unchanging!

That's kind of a myth considering how the laws are constantly being reinterpreted and revisited (ex:ruling on the 2nd Amendment). And another instance of change would be that the original flag didn't look like it does now ---didn't it change?
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