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Old 07-15-2008, 10:26 AM
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TERROR IS TERROR. Splitting hairs because you hate the president is lame.
I agree that "terror is terror," which is why I find it impossible to support Bush. He's a terrorist, by any rational definition of the term. Lots of people in America can't see him that way, because he's a white guy in a suit, and we've all been trained to think of terrorists as anybody who looks middle eastern, rather than anybody who uses terrorism.

If we really wanted to stop terrorism, we'd stop producing it ourselves. There'd hardly be any left.
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Old 07-15-2008, 10:36 AM
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i'm not splitting hairs, you simply forgot that bush didn't invade iraq because of terror but because of "alleged" wmd's

Correct. And wmd's in the hands of a terrorist like Saddam needed to be dealt with.


you wish. I didn't hear one peep from America regarding Betancourt, the terrorists in indonesia or in the south of thailand. and there are more examples.

I agree. And if we give Obama the Presidency, then we never will hear a peep from America about them. But if we vote for a strong national security instead of appeasment, we can continue to do battle with those who want to terrorize the world.



Actually, it's been pretty quiet after 93 (i'm not counting the uss cole because that's a military ship). America did pretty well in that period of time. Bush on the other hand, reallly mad a financial mess.

The attempt to shift the discussion away from terror and on to the economy not withstanding, I don't recall September 11th being "pretty quiet". What, were you under a rock someplace?



he's a dictator, not a terrorist dictator. And i think those 600.000 iraqi's that died sure are happy you invaded iraq.
Anxiously awaiting the source for your 600,000 statistic.

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I agree that "terror is terror," which is why I find it impossible to support Bush. He's a terrorist, by any rational definition of the term. Lots of people in America can't see him that way, because he's a white guy in a suit, and we've all been trained to think of terrorists as anybody who looks middle eastern, rather than anybody who uses terrorism.

If we really wanted to stop terrorism, we'd stop producing it ourselves. There'd hardly be any left.

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Old 07-15-2008, 10:41 AM
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Justice: I obviously haven't learned how to quote and reply. Forgive my horrible post #22 above .. but I think you can decifer it.

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Old 07-15-2008, 10:42 AM
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There likely will be war crimes trials. The International Red Cross has already stated that they found the Bush Administration guilty of war crimes. There's a growing list. Rumsfeld, Feith, Gonzales and a few others have been advised not leaving the United States because of the likelihood of being arrested.
Please give it a rest. In spite of the idealistic notions and wishes of a ten million liberals, these people are not going to be prosecuted. First off, the IRC has no standing to prosecute anyone. Secondly, there is no country on the planet that is going to attempt to prosecute American elected officials for "war crimes." Thirdly, no subsequent U.S. president is going to tolerate this because they may have to do something in THEIR term of office that might result in a similar episode, and they aren't going to establish a precedent.

Pretending otherwise is just delusional.

It's not going to happen. It doesn't matter how much you wish it would. This simply is NOT a realistic belief. Your time would be far better spent fantasizing about getting into Angelina Jolie's panties, because quite frankly, the odds are better than anyone on this thread is going to bang Angelina Jolie than that Bush et. al. will be prosecuted for war crimes.

You know what I wish? That I could get paid a dollar for every single one of these stupid threads that have been posted here in the last 7 years. I'd be wealthy.

I feel dumber for having clicked on this thread.
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Waging a war against your attackers is not.
Yea, like the Germans did to the Polish. (*)(*)(*)(*) Polish all attacking Germany.

We executed Germans after the war on the only charge of "waging a war of aggression". The only condition to prove that charge was that Germany attacked Poland, regardless of provocations. By the precedent set by the US at the Nuremburg trials, Bush, most of his cabinet, Cheney and most of the General Staff of the US military should be put to death. Pretty absurd, and I think the real problem is the Nuremberg trials, but GWB did still break international law. I think I remember A polling of international lawyers after the war started and they agreed unanimously he was a war criminal.

The real point that they all made, and it still stands, it that no one will arrest, prosecute, extradite or have anything to do with war crime charges. So it's kind of a moot point.
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TERROR IS TERROR. Splitting hairs because you hate the president is lame.

Look, we are fighting a war against radical terrorism on this planet - whether it be in Afghanistan, Iraq or here at home. And who knows where it will take us next. But I'm sure gald we have a President with the cojones to meet the threat head on. Had President Clinton taken action after the WTC bombing in 93 or after the African emabassy bombings or after the USS Cole bombing, maybe this would be over by now.

For those of you who try and say we "attacked" Iraq are being very disingenuous. We attacked a terrorist dictator and, hopefully, we will attack a few others. We did it on behalf of the good people of Iraq and we do it for our own safety.

Don't look now, but a whole lot of liberal hate is marching way out in front of common logic.
Teror is terror. Yes well said, things usually are by definition themselves.

It is naive to think that Clinton did nothing after the embassy bombings in Africa. He may not have done enough, but i'm sure that spec ops and the CIA did a lot that you and I will never know about. Well that you will never know about.

To say that we attacked a terrorist supporter is at best misinformed. Al-qaeda hated Saddam and visa versa. He was not a threat to the US. I would think by that point that would have been hammered into everyone but apparently not. THese people would be either naive, ignorant, stupid, or any combination thereof.

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Old 07-15-2008, 11:04 AM
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Terror It is naive to think that Clinton did nothing after the embassy bombings in Africa.
Oh that's right, he hurled a few missles to get his grand jury deposition off of the front pages.
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Oh that's right, he hurled a few missles to get his grand jury deposition off of the front pages.
you're right. A recession under Bush watch is better...
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Old 07-15-2008, 11:17 AM
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you're right. A recession under Bush watch is better...
I'll take national safety in exchange for an economic slowdown anyday.
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