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Icon1 Obama is a Natrual Born US Citizen. Period.

There have been many a talk about Obama's Birth Certificate. But, I would like to point out that Obama does not Need to Fake it!! Here is my proof:

FACT: Obama's mother was born in the United States.

PROOF: "...S. Ann Soetoro was a teen mother who later got a Ph.D. in anthropology; a white woman from the Midwest...born in 1942..."
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-1,00.html
"...Stanley Ann DUNHAM was born on 27 November 1942 in Wichita,Kansas..."
http://genealogy.about.com/od/aframe...rack_obama.htm

FACT: If one of your parents is a United States Citizen, no matter where you are born, you are a natrual born United States Citizen.

PROOF: "...Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)..."
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

So, there is absolutly no reason for him to Fake a birth certificate!

(And if you give me the 5 year argument you better back it up with Linked proof!)

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There have been many a talk about Obama's Birth Certificate. But, I would like to point out that Obama does not Need to Fake it!! Here is my proof:

FACT: Obama's mother was born in the United States.

PROOF: "...S. Ann Soetoro was a teen mother who later got a Ph.D. in anthropology; a white woman from the Midwest...born in 1942..."
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-1,00.html
"...Stanley Ann DUNHAM was born on 27 November 1942 in Wichita,Kansas..."
http://genealogy.about.com/od/aframe...rack_obama.htm

FACT: If one of your parents is a United States Citizen, no matter where you are born, you are a natrual born United States Citizen.

PROOF: "...Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)..."
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

So, there is absolutly no reason for him to Fake a birth certificate!

(And if you give me the 5 year argument you better back it up with Linked proof!)

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There have been many a talk about Obama's Birth Certificate. But, I would like to point out that Obama does not Need to Fake it!! Here is my proof:

FACT: Obama's mother was born in the United States.

PROOF: "...S. Ann Soetoro was a teen mother who later got a Ph.D. in anthropology; a white woman from the Midwest...born in 1942..."
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-1,00.html
"...Stanley Ann DUNHAM was born on 27 November 1942 in Wichita,Kansas..."
http://genealogy.about.com/od/aframe...rack_obama.htm

FACT: If one of your parents is a United States Citizen, no matter where you are born, you are a natrual born United States Citizen.

PROOF: "...Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)..."
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

So, there is absolutly no reason for him to Fake a birth certificate!

(And if you give me the 5 year argument you better back it up with Linked proof!)

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He might be a citizen, but you have to be a natural born citizen. There is a difference.
Yes we know. I provided the link from the Constitution website... and if you would have clicked that link you would have seen that the discription I gave was for a Natural Born Citizen.

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Yes we know. I provided the link from the Constitution website... and if you would have clicked that link you would have seen that the discription I gave was for a Natural Born Citizen.
I think this pretty much ends the debate on the issue.
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Originally Posted by Butercupp View Post
There have been many a talk about Obama's Birth Certificate. But, I would like to point out that Obama does not Need to Fake it!! Here is my proof:

FACT: Obama's mother was born in the United States.

PROOF: "...S. Ann Soetoro was a teen mother who later got a Ph.D. in anthropology; a white woman from the Midwest...born in 1942..."
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-1,00.html
"...Stanley Ann DUNHAM was born on 27 November 1942 in Wichita,Kansas..."
http://genealogy.about.com/od/aframe...rack_obama.htm

FACT: If one of your parents is a United States Citizen, no matter where you are born, you are a natrual born United States Citizen.

PROOF: "...Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)..."
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

So, there is absolutly no reason for him to Fake a birth certificate!

(And if you give me the 5 year argument you better back it up with Linked proof!)

Respectfully Yours,

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cool.....he is a natural citizen.....let's vote for him
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Then there's this:

Barack Obama is not a legal U.S. natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between December 24, 1952, to November 13, 1986. Federal Law requires that the office of President requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents. This is what exempts John McCain, though he was born in the US Panama Canal Zone.

US Law very clearly states: ‘. . . If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of one’s birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.’ Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen is a fact.

Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born. This means even though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen of Hawaii being a territory), his mother fails the test for at-least-5-years- prior-to Barack Obama’s birth, but-after-age-16.

In essence, Mother alone is not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, 2 years elapsed from his mother turning 16 to the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18. His mother would have needed to have been 16 + 5 = 21 years old at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to be a natural-born citizen. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at the time his mother would have needed to be to allow him natural citizenship from his only U.S. Citizen parent. Obama should have been naturalized as a citizen . . but that would disqualify him from holding the office.

The Constitution clearly declares: Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, any other information does not matter because his mother is the one who must fulfill the requirement to be a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16.
Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the USA for some time frame to protect any citizenship he might have had, rather than living in Indonesia. This is very clear cut and a glaring violation of U.S. Election law. I think the Governor Schwarzenegger of California should be very interested in discovering if Obama is allowed to be elected President without being a natural-born U.S. Citizen, since this would set a precedent. Stay tuned to your TV sets because I suspect some of this information will be leaking through over the next several days.
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Link please?

Oh, wait. HERE's some links!

http://immigration.findlaw.com/immig...-you-know.html

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A child born on American soil automatically gets U.S. citizenship, unless the child is born to a foreign government official who is in the United States as a recognized diplomat. Children born in certain U.S. territories -- Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and Guam -- may also acquire U.S. citizenship. For details, see Title 8 of the U.S. Code, available at http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/. Anyone born with U.S. citizenship retains it for life unless he or she deliberately gives it up -- for example, by filing an oath of renunciation.
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An anonymous email circulating for the past few weeks purports to prove that by virtue of the circumstances of his birth, Barack Obama isn't a natural-born citizen and is therefore ineligible to hold the office of president. When you strip away all the obfuscations, however, the simple fact remains that Obama was born on U.S. soil, which by virtue of the 14th Amendment makes him a natural-born citizen.
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/55489

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

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The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Anyone born inside the United States
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
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Link please?
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