is he still going to host a campaign meeting adjacent to the RNC convention facility? sounds like fun

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The income tax has certainly allowed us to make our government A LOT larger than it needs to be. The sales tax would cover all legitimate expenses the government would have to pay. By getting rid of the income tax we could get rid of useless government departments like the DoD, Dept of Education, the IRS:-p, Dept of homeland security...etc

The US shouldn't give foreign aid. By giving aid to one country we (*)(*)(*)(*) off another. If following the advice of Washington and Jefferson are silly notions, then you should move elsewhere.

He doesn't want a ban on abortion, he said it was a state issue. He personally thinks abortion is a bad thing, if that is what you meant.

We got off of the gold standard because the economic imperialism we set up after WWII (at Bretton Woods) was unsustainable. Many countries knew the system was unsustainable (China for ex) because Britain used the same sort of economic imperialism with their pound-sterling. The only reason the gold standard was unacceptable is because we couldn't coerce other nations with the gold standard. The gold-exchange standard is a different story, which is essentially what we had until Nixon got rid of the Bretton Woods system.

In fact our gold standard of the 1880's was the most prosperous decade our country has had if I remember correctly.

I've never heard of the ban on gay adoption in DC, that would be interesting to look into. I'm not seeing any information on it from a web search.

Creationism being taught in school got a "yes" from every republican candidate, not just Paul. Personally I don't see why it is a big deal, ultimately the parents are going to play a larger role in shaping their child's view on something like that. Any rational person would tell their child creationism is flawed and ridiculous on their own time. However, I'll agree this seems to be an actual weak point of Ron Paul.

Ron Paul, like Jefferson and Washington, sees not point in entangling alliances abroad. Darfur is a terrible situation, but there are innumerable terrible situations in the world. We can't do everything, and we shouldn't pick favorites. We should worry about our country, not others.

The Sudan, foreign aid, UN, and ICC situations will have similar answers to the previous one. All we need to do with other countries is trade with them and have neutral/positive relations.

So much of the defense budget and intelligence budgets are invisible (the public doesn't get to see them) you can bet the foreign operations expenses is higher than 572 billion, albeit I don't know where he gets the trillion dollar figure. Either way, 572 billion dollars ignores the unconstitutionally invisible budget expenses you should know about.

Washington warned us about standing armies and their threat to liberty. We shouldn't have them in other peoples countries at all. I'm sure you thinking sticking our heads in the sand is bad, but sticking them on other peoples sand in general will only lead to blowback.

He wants standard intelligence through the FBI and CIA, but not military coups and other ridiculous actions. Watergate, Cuban missile crisis...etc.

We had all the information to deal with threats in the past, the Dept of Homeland Security is just another monstrous bureaucracy. It is only costing the tax payer more, not providing any more security. Drew Griffin was just put on the terrorist list, clearly homeland security is a great addition to are overblown federal government. That is 45 billion dollars the tax payers shouldn't have to pay.

You sound like Bronco Billy and Mas Tequila. Or are you actually able to be specific? Want to tell us what the bad ideas are? And why they are bad? I'll wait.

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This may be difficult but work with me here paragon. Obviously you think we need a big bloated federal government. You like the way money is taken from you and your state and given back to all states as Washington sees fit. You love that federal regulation and oil and farm subsidies and the TSA. If we didn't have a federal income tax there wouldn't be pork barrel legislation, which obviously you support.

What the hell does that mean? Why is it not a good idea to be on it? You'd rather the government just print money when they need it?

I agree.

I think you are misstating Paul's position.

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It isn't a Ron Paul Revolution.

It is a revolution of limited government and maximum freedom. Ron Paul was just a piece of the revolution. It didn't start with him and it certainly won't end with him.

Where do I begin with all this fallacious nonsense? Jesus... First of all, over a third of the income tax revenue is going just to pay interest on the national debt. Who is the only Congressman to vote against every single unbalanced budget? You guessed it - Ron Paul. He's trying to control spending, which none of the fools you vote for have done, or will ever do.

The government operated just fine without an income tax for over 150 years, and we became the most prosperous nation on earth.

Collectivist statists like you like the income tax because you're jealous and envious when other people have more money than you, so you want to steal it from them. And of course, it's one of the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto, which has a special place in your heart.

But there is absolutely no need for an income tax. The government could operate just fine without one:

Why an Income Tax is Not Necessary to Fund the U.S. Government

No, it's not.

LOL. Your historical ignorance is appalling. Fiat currency was made legal tender (which eventually led to the end of the gold standard) thanks to a deceptive court packing scheme by President Grant.

Do you have a source for this? I haven't heard of this one.

As a non-Christian, that wouldn't bother me at all. And the separation of church and state is for the federal government. Aren't schools controlled by local and state governments? As long as both sides are presented, I don't see a problem with it. People can make up their own minds.

By the way, is libertarianism being taught in schools to offer a fair and balanced political education? No. The teachers are brainwashing the students with collectivism and statism 24/7.

Then why aren't you enlisting in the military to go fight in Darfur? Ron Paul is consistently against any non-defensive foreign intervention. He also voted against the Iraq war. He believes in non-intervention and neutrality, and his voting record supports it.

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Some Ideas Of Dr. Paul I agreed with right off the bat ! 2nd Amendment rights , doing away with the IRS too. The foreign policy part needs a little work but I am sure it will come around to suit the needs of the 21st century, look something has gotta break here in this Country. we are going downhill fast

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Aw someone else negative rep'd me for explaining why I, personally, do not like Ron Paul. How cute, they hate people with different views from them.

Guess how many countries are worse off then the US. Most of them. Just because someone lives in another country it doesn't mean that they are any less of a person than a US citizen is. There are many failed states that cannot do anything for or actively refuse to do anything for their own people.
Aside from the humanitarian part of foreign aid, it also improves US relations with other countries. GOSH WOULDN'T WANT THAT WOULD WE?

That is what I meant. And it should be a personal issue not a state issue.

The US gold reserve is currently worth $256 billion. The GDP of the US is $13.84 trillion. Do you see the problem?

Amendment introduced by Largent, R-OK; Bill HR 2587 ; vote number 1999-346 on Jul 29, 1999

It should not be taught in schools because it is not science. If you actually look at it, it isn't even an opposing view to evolution because evolution does not explain and does not try to explain creation. It explains the evolution of the species, not what happened first.

There are poor people in the US who own big screen TVs. Most poor people in the US get more than the recommended daily amount of nutrients. There is a higher percent of overweight poor people in the US than there are overweight people who are not poor. The problems in the US are nothing compared to the problems in most of the world. You can't just bury your head in the sand and not care about anyone else.

Wrong. You can see the dollar amount of all of it even if you can't see the exact thing they are being spent on.

Ah blowback. Lets talk about the blowback of NOT helping Afghanistan following the fall of the Soviet puppet government there. Radical Islamists started a civil war which led to the rise of the Taliban which gave Osama bin Laden a safe place to strike from which made it possible for 9/11 to happen.

Guess what. Most of their actions are successful things that nobody talks about. You hear all about the failures but they are nothing compared to the successes.

DHS brought together many non-military security-related government agencies so that they work together better. It also employs 208,000 Americans.

Here's something many of you anti-big government people don't seem to understand. The Federal Government provides jobs for 14.6 million Americans. And guess what happens when you shrink the size of the Federal Government. People lose their jobs. And you want to intentionally cause tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of Americans to lose their jobs. Sad.

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If everyone paid about $30,000 we wouldn't have a debt. Of course nobody would seriously propose that...

We became the most prosperous nation on earth after WW2. And what do you know, we had an income tax then...

I'm not a collectivist statist for one thing. Nor am I jealous or envious of people with more money than me. To be honest I have more money than I know what to do with. I just invested in some companies I've never heard of before just because I had some money lying around. The government provides services and jobs and people have to pay for those things to exist.

That is completely based on the belief that it is a human being from the moment the egg is fertilized. Except that he also voted No on a bill that would make it a criminal offense to harm or kill a fetus during the commission of a violent crime. If he thinks it's a human being at conception then why doesn't he think it should be a criminal act to harm that human being while it is still in the womb.

"For five years prior to 1925 the gold price was managed downward to the pre-war level, causing deflation throughout those countries of the British Empire and Commonwealth using the Pound Sterling. But the rise in demand for gold for conversion payments that followed the similar European resumptions from 1925 to 1928 meant a further rise in demand for gold relative to goods and therefore the need for a lower price of goods because of the fixed rate of conversion from money to goods. Because of these price declines and predictable depressionary effects, the British government finally abandoned the standard September 20, 1931. Sweden abandoned the gold standard in October 1931; and other European nations soon followed."

Amendment introduced by Largent, R-OK; Bill HR 2587 ; vote number 1999-346 on Jul 29, 1999

Creationism isn't even another side to evolution. Creationism is based on personal beliefs in how things were created. Evolution deals with what happened after creation and does not deal with creation. Churches can teach people all they want about how the universe was created.

The US isn't fighting in Darfur for one. And I applied to Naval OCS and I am waiting for the results.

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