Was it anonymous? I'll neg rep back the bastard for you.

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My enduring personal, original quote: Many mistake what should rightly be called "passivism" for pacifism. Pacifism and passivism are COMPLETELY different.
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Los Angeles voters=dumber than rocks.

He is not a real libertarian. Stop trying to make it seem so.

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My enduring personal, original quote: Many mistake what should rightly be called "passivism" for pacifism. Pacifism and passivism are COMPLETELY different.
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Ronald Reagan was not the only one to suffer from Alzheimer's Disease. America did, too.
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"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." --President George W. Bush.
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Los Angeles voters=dumber than rocks.

Aid won't necessarily improve US relations, especially if the country we aid has enemies (which they often do). By giving aid to some and not others (Israel), we anger other nations. Your also forget that we have a 9 trillion dollar national debt figure. And that is just on money we already owe, future obligations put us at roughly 50 trillion. That is roughly the value of every house in the country combined. We are only living better than other countries through debt, not actual prosperity. We have plenty of problems, and plenty of traits that failed states have.

Were giving aid to Sunnis too, the old friends of Saddam. Bet you we will make plenty of good relations there. More like arm enemies... yay more blowback.

Great, I agree with you. But it is such a small policy that is of such little importance. I could really care less about a politicians opinion on it. I don't agree with Paul on the position either, but people can wear condoms. Problem solved. It is certainly more acceptable that the normal Republican position on abortion, a Federal law banning it.

Yeah, I do see a problem. Inflation and a fiat currency. Artificially devaluing currency is why the government is so bloated. It is also why we have both parents working full time in families (which likely contributes to divorce issues in America). It is why we work more hours every year on average than any other industrialized nation. If we switched to a gold standard, the price of gold would rise. I see no problem. Gold was always rising in price during the gold standard. That is why people got a higher standard of living over time during the gold standard (the opposite of fiat money).

Interesting. He certainly isn't perfect.

I think it is an opposing view sense creationists believe the world is 5000 years old or something like that. Either way, creationism is wrong, but enough religious fanatics will get pissed if it isn't taught alongside.


It is not burying my head in the sand. It is realizing that this country has a huge national debt that people like to ignore. It is realizing that our standard of living is going down. It is realizing we try and play the role of the United Nations when we are just one country. It is realizing that our aid often has an economic incentive for our own country, whether it be military or economic aid. We are overly reliant on technology that isn't sustainable over time (cars and the need for oil) because we are industrialized (unlike many nations). We have created many problems for ourselves. Your sticking your head in the sand if you don't realize that.

Wrong. You can't see the dollar amount of all of it.

Yes, lets talk about that blowback. If we never got involved in trying to promote democracy abroad through proxy wars the problem wouldn't have arose. We were outspending the Soviet Union throughout the entire Cold War. We used military and economic imperialism to control countries. We did coups too, take Iran for example.

I'm pretty sure we helped the "freedom fighters", or the Mujahadeen. They were an important piece of the rise of the Taliban... and that was only by befriending and then ignoring them. If we didn't befriend them in the first place, they wouldn't of gotten angry.

Have you ever read the reasons Bin Laden attacked? economic aid to Israel was one of the main reasons...

Most of their actions are successful? Interesting, why wouldn't people talk about them then?

The baby boomers are retiring, we won't need a good number of those jobs. The Federal government alone provides 14.6 million jobs? Or are you including state and local governments in this? Nevertheless, these jobs are, for the most part, not helping our economy grow. They are just keeping taxes high. The amount of money that would be freed up would allow for investment and new business to be created for many of these people.

There's no need for that. We could pay off the debt by abolishing the Federal Reserve and paying off the excess by selling federal assets, as Harry Browne once proposed.

LOL. That's about as fallacious as you can get. If taxes create prosperity, then a 100% tax should make a nation unbelievably prosperous, yet the Soviet Union was poor compared to Western nations with freer markets.

Also, the reason for the surge of prosperity after WW2 came from the Fed pumping money back into the economy, after their actions had caused the Great Depression.

And we were the most prosperous nation on earth well before the income tax.

Oh I think it's pretty clear that you are. You believe the government should regulate anything in the economy that it wants to, and any behavior that it wants to. You might not agree with your political opponents if they achieve power, but you don't want to limit government permanently to a specific set of standards - meaning that you don't want to deprive your politicians of their powers due to fear of your opponents winning a few elections here and there.

Then stop supporting politicians who are trying to steal my money. And if you've "got more money than you know what to do with," send it to the government if you love them so much. They'll be happy to take more.

You say below that you're young enough to apply for Naval OCS, and yet you talk as if you're independently wealthy. Something doesn't sound right...

I didn't ask for any of those "services." I don't want them, but I'm not given a choice. Money is immediately stolen from me.

If a fertilized human egg is left alone in the womb, what is the only thing it can become?

Show me the website you're getting this from.

Provide your source. That's an Appeal to the Majority anyway. Just because other countries did it doesn't mean the U.S. should.

Provide your source. What were they amending?

Evolution isn't provable either. It's a theory, not a fact. There's nothing in the fossil records to prove changes from one species to another. And there are also tons of anomalies in the fossil record which Evolutionists won't touch with a ten foot pole.

Both sides are unprovable.

Start writing to your Congressman and beg him to support an invasion.

Also, who are you voting for in 2008? And who did you vote for in 2004?

Great. Let's get you over there.

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That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Taxes do not create prosperity and I never said anything even resembling that. I was correcting your statement that there was some sort of connection between not having an income tax for 150 years and the US becoming the most prosperous state in the world.
Fact 1) We became the most prosperous state in the world after WW2
Fact 2) At that time we had an income tax
Therefore your attempted connection is false.

US ranked 5th per capita in 1820
US ranked 3rd per capita in 1900
US ranked 1st per capita in 1950


No...

You benefit from them even if you don't know it. You could have the misfortune of not being a US citizen.

I limit my expenses and made some good financial choices. For instance, I live in a city so I don't need a car so I don't have one. If I do need to use one I rent one. I don't have many expensive things so I have money instead. I wouldn't say that I was wealthy. I just have a lot more money than I need for what I spend money on.

* Defense: Manages the military forces that protect our country and its interests, including the Departments of the Army, Navy, and Air Force and a number of smaller agencies. The civilian workforce employed by the Department of Defense performs various support activities, such as payroll and public relations.

* Veterans Affairs: Administers programs to aid U.S. veterans and their families, runs the veterans’ hospital system, and operates our national cemeteries.

* Homeland Security: Works to prevent terrorist attacks within the United States, reduce vulnerability to terrorism, and minimize the damage from potential attacks and natural disasters. It also administers the country’s immigration policies and oversees the Coast Guard.

* Treasury: Regulates banks and other financial institutions, administers the public debt, prints currency, and collects Federal income taxes.

* Justice: Works with State and local governments and other agencies to prevent and control crime and ensure public safety against threats both domestic and foreign. It also enforces Federal laws, prosecutes cases in Federal courts, and runs Federal prisons.

* Agriculture: Promotes U.S. agriculture domestically and internationally, manages forests, researches new ways to grow crops and conserve natural resources, ensures safe meat and poultry products, and leads the Federal anti-hunger programs, such as Food Stamps and School Lunch.

* Interior: Manages Federal lands, including the national parks; runs hydroelectric power systems; and promotes conservation of natural resources.

* Health and Human Services: Performs health and social science research, assures the safety of drugs and foods other than meat and poultry, and administers Medicare, Medicaid, and numerous other social service programs.

* Transportation: Sets national transportation policy; plans and funds the construction of highways and mass transit systems; and regulates railroad, aviation, and maritime operations.

* Commerce: Forecasts the weather, charts the oceans, regulates patents and trademarks, conducts the census, compiles statistics, and promotes U.S. economic growth by encouraging international trade.

* State: Oversees the Nation’s embassies and consulates, issues passports, monitors U.S. interests abroad, and represents the United States before international organizations.

* Labor: Enforces laws guaranteeing fair pay, workplace safety, and equal job opportunity; administers unemployment insurance; regulates pension funds; and collects and analyzes economic data.

* Energy: Coordinates the national use and provision of energy, oversees the production and disposal of nuclear weapons, and plans for future energy needs.

* Housing and Urban Development: Funds public housing projects, enforces equal housing laws, and insures and finances mortgages.

* Education: Monitors and distributes financial aid to schools and students, collects and disseminates data on schools and other education matters, and prohibits discrimination in education.

Those all look pretty important.

Trick question. It could result in a miscarriage or it could become a baby or it could result in some other problem where the baby dies as it is being born or soon after it is born.

http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm

You clearly don't know what a theory is.
Theory - A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
Do you know what else is a theory? Gravity.

The US will not go into Darfur and if it does it will turn into a situation similar to Iraq.

I didn't like either candidate last election. I don't like either of these candidates either. Not that it matters because my state always gives all of its electoral votes for the democratic candidate (except with mondale and dukakis because they were absolutely terrible) even though the percentage of people voting for either one are usually within 10%.

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Roughly half of the debt is owned by the US federal government. Another quarter is owned by other US entities. The remaining quarter is owned by various countries, the highest being Japan. I have a thread about it somewhere on here. Basically, we owe most of it to ourselves. As for aid, you have to pick and choose. You can't give to everyone and you can't give to nobody. I personally do not believe in giving aid to Israel because they basically stole the land from the Palestinians and have generally treated them terribly since then.

They weren't all friends of Saddam. Many just got a job there because it was the best way to put food on the table for their family.

I don't think there is a relationship between both parents working full time and divorce. My parents are divorced but my mom only got a full time job right before they got divorced. People get divorced because they no longer love each other. Maybe Americans are just more hardworking than those in other industrialized nations.
And the value of gold would have to rise over 540% to meet the GDP of the US.

GDP per capita is still going up. Our industrialization puts us ahead of other nations, not behind them. And our problems are nothing compared to most of the world.

Intelligence Oversight Act of 1980

Well we did all that and we can't turn back the clock.

The most effective mujaheddin commander was Ahmed Shah Massoud, a moderate who wanted democracy for Afghanistan. We abandoned him and all the Afghans who wanted a stable country when we cut aid to the mujaheddin. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia were providing lots of funding to the radicals (first Hekmatyar then the Taliban) who were fighting against Massoud. But Massoud's calls for aid were unanswered except for minimal amounts of aid from a few countries like Russia, their former enemies in the Soviet/Afghan War. And now we have to continue to provide the aid that we should have been providing in the 90s so that what happened before does not happen again.

So was not helping muslims when they were being massacred in a list of placed. It's in his 1996 fatwa.

The FBI does lots of little things that they report on their website. The CIA does classified things which are classified so you generally don't get to know about them.

I'm including contractors who are funded by the federal government. People who work for the US government do so because they want to work for the US government. They probably wouldn't be as happy working for some private business.

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