Originally Posted by Rebellion

Great, so when congress' approval rating was low under Republican control we can blame it on the obstructionist dems. Wow that was easy. I love excuse making.

Originally Posted by BuckNaked

Originally Posted by katiegrrl0

Petty differences keep us from acomplishment. The line in the aisle keeps congress from working. It's to deep.

Originally Posted by MidwestMax

I am far from wealthy and I quite enjoyed my tax cut. Came at a good time, just when I needed to pay a few bills and get the house painted. Thanks, Mr. President.

Originally Posted by GovernmentCheese

Pelosi has had so many botox treatments it is beginning to affect her judgement. Pull that face a little tighter Nancy and see what else spews out of that hole in your head.

Originally Posted by get over it

At least she has a head, and it ain't stuck up her rectum.

Originally Posted by Butercupp

I am very disapointed in Pelosi. I hope that the Dems vote a better person next time around. We pay so much attention to Prez and not enough to anything else... It is obvious!

Seriously, if slapping were legal, I would slap Pelosi!

Soooo me!

Originally Posted by get over it

That makes 2 of us.

After her term, I hope we never hear from her again.

Originally Posted by GovernmentCheese

Why would you say that? 5 + botox treatments would indicate some wrinkling to agree with where they came from.

Originally Posted by Bushfan

A fantastic example of a thoroughly baseless opinion; FYI: Baseless opinions are so plentiful that they have literally no value what so ever.

Perhaps you'll consider providing a well reasoned, logically valid and intellectually sound basis next time; they're quite rare, particularly among the Advocates of Social Science and because of this, their value is incalculable.

Good luck with your opinions in the future and here’s hoping you stumble across one which possesses some discernable value to someone.

Originally Posted by Tedminator

@ bushfanatic.

Thats for damm sure.

Originally Posted by Swede

Everything Dubya has ever touched has turned into a debacle. He lacked the experience, judgement, character and intelligence to be even a minimally-competentent president and he surrounded himself with people with long-time personal agendas who were able to stampede him. There really doesn't need to be much discussion of that. That's a fact.

Originally Posted by GovernmentCheese

We wouldn't have these troubles if we didn't "down-size" the military during the 1990's. That is a fault on both parties.

Originally Posted by whatsyurprob

1) Who said anything about a "super majority"? They need 60 votes. If that's a super majority, looks like we need to re-write the Constitution.

2) My bad. We've disregarded that document in the last 7+ years. What was I thinking?

3) I know, Stripey. It's right there. Can't be denied. I, like U, have brought this up about a half dozen times to no avail.

4) So, lets talk about the weather. Something all of us can have an arbitrary conversation about.

Originally Posted by Swede

Mr. Bushfan, sir, such a timid and half-hearted list of accomplishments by your political messiah, and yet it is hopelessly overblown and inaccurate. The facts are that the Little Tyrant has honestly come by the sobriquet of the most incompetent and unpopular president in history. But allow me to be more specific:

• 1. He squandered a golden opportunity (9/11) to galvanize the nation around a commitment to become energy independent.
• 2. He invaded a sovereign nation that posed no discernible threat to the US, was not involved in 9/11, had no WMD, and was harboring no terrorists.
• 3. He diverted attention and resources from Afghanistan to pursue his quixotic mission in Iraq.
• 4. He had no plan for the occupation of Iraq and predictably completely botched the job.
• 5. He cut taxes for the rich in wartime and borrowed hundreds of billions from the Chinese to sustain the Iraq debacle.
• 6. He presided over GOP profligacy and record deficits.
• 7. His Justice Department required US attorneys to engage in partisan prosecutions to keep their jobs.
• 8. His administration at the highest levels was responsible to outing a covert CIA agent in wartime and then committing perjury and obstruction of justice during the investigation.
• 9. Despite having an iron grip on the US government for 6 years, did nothing to promote a rational plan on energy independence and global warming.
• 10. He trampled on the consitutional rights of Americans while promoting secrecy for actions by his administrartion.

We could go on and on, as me know Mr. Bushfan, sir, but I will stop there to keep this post to a reasonable lenghth. The truly puzzling thing about all of this is why Devotees of Dissonance, like yourself, sir, Mr. Bushfan, respectfully, still prostrate yourself in worship of this failed president.

Originally Posted by harry dresden

sounds almost like Obama......no experience,not to good at making decisions,we dont know about his character,since many dont trust were his loyalties lie,IQ,well he seems to be fairly inteligent,and to MANY people in this country,he does not seem to be competent enough to be president.....

Originally Posted by katiegrrl0

All the people that voted for him in the primary must have thought he was competent enough to run.

Originally Posted by harry dresden

sorry guys but last night they said you cant fairly judge a president like this list does untill he has been out of office for a while,apparently some presidents looked bad while in office,and then 10 years later they looked pretty good or better...its what they said,interview show on PBS....talking about legacies......

Originally Posted by Zaro

Nine pages of whining from conservatives because ol' Nancy is right for once.

Originally Posted by harry dresden

the same thing can be said about Bush,and any other person who has won a primary....

Originally Posted by Zaro

Blow your nose

Originally Posted by Sparky Farkas

I did. But we aren't going to deal with that until we deal with the first bit of dumbassery you posted. You said propaganda used by the US government against the People of the United States was not illegal. (I can quote you if you'd like). You are wrong, largely I suspect because you haven't a clue as to what you were talking about.

Let's stay in sequence so that you don't divert the issues. I'll ignore the very first thing you said about public education for the time being, but I reserve the right to re-visit at the end of our discussion, unless of course you want to discuss that first. I kind of doubt that you do.

With that in mind let's start with the legality or illegality of the US Government using propaganda on the People of the United States. I said it was illegal. You said it was not.

I gave you laws. I gave you Congressional directives included in the annual appropriations. I gave you the definitions used by the GAO. There is more if required. But you haven't responded. Are you going to concede or not? If you want to provide proof that there are no laws prohibiting the US Government from using propaganda on the People of the United States and with public funds then bring your argument and documentation forward. Once this part of the discussion is settled then we can discuss whether the Bush Administration has broken the law or not. First things first, however. There needs to be a law in order for a law to be broken. I maintain there are laws regarding propaganda as stated above and in earlier posts.



There is no need for you to assure me. I have had no doubt since the discussion began that you have no knowledge or awareness of the matter. I promise to clue you up before we are through.



My posts are there for anyone to see. Infer what you will, but at the moment your inference is an attempt to divert the discussion. We'll get to that as we will get to the Roosevelts, Wilson and the Bush non-propaganda connection. But one thing at a time. Let's take them in order.

Originally Posted by BroncoBilly

1) Is this the same logic you try to convince yourself why California is going down the toilet? The liberal loons have ruined this state, and now they will take the country down as well.

2) If liberal loons ever learned to Compromise, things would get done, but alas, the fruit cake loon leadership the democrats have, will continue their boasting of being single digit losers.

3) Amazing that Pelosi, who has more plastic in her face than the dashboard in my car, thinks she has the balls to call Bush a failure. Oops, I forgot, she is a transvestite from San Francisco, she may still have her balls.

Originally Posted by Angel Of Mercy

Originally Posted by get over it

Talk about a bunch of scum in one picture!

Originally Posted by get over it

Are they refering to the size of his brain, or the size of his.... dubya?

Look's like Hannity caught him on a good night. They deserve each other.

And guess who has it about right? Ol' Decider himself.

Originally Posted by BroncoBilly

These photos actually represent the average comprehension of liberal loons on the war on terror, but don't fret, remedial classes will be starting soon, and there will still be time for you all to catch up.

Originally Posted by L337SIMBA

And I blame Pelosi for being a failure at life. Well, I guess she can't help it can she?

After all...she is a democrat

Originally Posted by Swede

Mr. Bushfan, sir, respectfully, I provided you in post #78 a short list of ten colossal failures by your political messiah, which was in turn a response to your tepid endorsement of your Dear Leader at post #69.

Do the Devotees of Dissonance, such as you, sir, ignore the overwhelming evidence of the failures of this administration out of a denial complex or solely because there is absolutely nothing that can be said in support of this arrogant and incompetent president. You, sir, are quite familiar with the dire consequences of mixing arrogance and incompentence and perhaps you have chosen the wise course of abandoning any further futile attempts to shore up the dwindling fortunes of this abominable administration whose leader will go down as one of the worst figures in history, sir, respectfully.

Originally Posted by Glinda

I believe the short answer is Yes. There is simply no other way to explain such blind devotion to such a disastrously flawed president/administration.

Originally Posted by Swede

A person of character would admit going overboard and apologize to Glinda.

Originally Posted by Glinda

As Swede properly points out, MidwestMax did take a dig at me, however I've taken my own digs at him, so in my mind it almost evens out. The deciding difference is, my ego isn't tied to Mr. Bush's balls, so I win by default.


Swede, I thank you deeply for defending me. You are a true (and very wise) gentleman.

Originally Posted by TheStripey1

that's not a tax break, buck... you borrowed those monies from your next year's refund...

so uhhh, buck... what color did you paint it?

Originally Posted by Glinda

The deciding difference is, my ego isn't tied to Mr. Bush's balls, so I win by default.

Originally Posted by Sparky Farkas

They found them? After all these years, missing since puberty, they've been discovered? Where? I'm betting they were nowhere near his weapon of minimal destruction. My money says his mom had them, hidden away.

Originally Posted by Swede