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Old 07-27-2008, 08:28 PM
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Just a question: How are americans better off today then they were before Bush took office? I mean average Americans.
Higher average income for one.
Not that any president has all that much to do with the economy or average income despite people's incessant need to blame/praise presidents for that.
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Old 07-27-2008, 08:31 PM
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Higher average income for one.
Not that any president has all that much to do with the economy or average income despite people's incessant need to blame/praise presidents for that.
Not from what i see. I know more people out of work then I ever have. The jobs that they are getting don't pay as much either. But you may see different things.
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In principle I agree with that position.

But of course, IF Democrats could THINK, they would be Americans.
Oh, here we go, the "If your lips on firmly planted on Bush's ass you are a treasonous bastard" argument.

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Not from what i see. I know more people out of work then I ever have. The jobs that they are getting don't pay as much either. But you may see different things.
You know a very small fraction of one percent of the American people. 1% would be 3 million. If you know 300 people that would only be 0.0001%, hardly the average.
You asked for the facts and I gave you one. It's not my fault if you don't like it.
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You know a very small fraction of one percent of the American people. 1% would be 3 million. If you know 300 people that would only be 0.0001%, hardly the average.
You asked for the facts and I gave you one. It's not my fault if you don't like it.
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It's not the number of people a person knows that makes the difference here, the fact is that national polls show rising unemployment, but the bigger problem is underemployment. There are far more people having trouble making ends meet and seeking assistance like welfare and food stamps than ever before. Add that to the fact that even the national polls are flawed in that after unemployment benefits for a person expire they are no longer counted as unemployed and you'll see that the problem is far bigger than most people realize.
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Just a question: How are americans better off today then they were before Bush took office? I mean average Americans.
United States GDP in 2000: $9.8 Billion
United States GDP in 2007: $13.8 Billion
That's a 29% increase.
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United States GDP in 2000: $9.8 Billion
United States GDP in 2007: $13.8 Billion
That's a 29% increase.
Actually, it's measured in the trillions, and when our national debt has almost caught up and will soon surpass our purchasing power,(https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2079rank.html) the GDP becomes almost meaningless. It's like a credit score, before we know it, the Saudi's are going to foreclose on us.
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Actually, it's measured in the trillions, and when our national debt has almost caught up and will soon surpass our purchasing power,(https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2079rank.html) the GDP becomes almost meaningless. It's like a credit score, before we know it, the Saudi's are going to foreclose on us.
The same Saudis who own a fraction of a percent of the US dept?

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It's not the number of people a person knows that makes the difference here, the fact is that national polls show rising unemployment, but the bigger problem is underemployment. There are far more people having trouble making ends meet and seeking assistance like welfare and food stamps than ever before. Add that to the fact that even the national polls are flawed in that after unemployment benefits for a person expire they are no longer counted as unemployed and you'll see that the problem is far bigger than most people realize.
Well that graph was made from extensive research. So it trumps your national polls which you yourself said were flawed.
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Yes, under Bush everything is just fine and dandy.
Those who aren't happy now, don't have a clue.
If you're not voting for McCave, you're a Bush hater.
Invading Iraq was all good and it's proving itself so.
History will show Bush to have been a great president.
If you want serious change in America, you're Socialist.
Iraq was supporting the worlds terrorists before the invasion.
If Bush deserves to be impeached, then why hasn't he?
What has the Bush administration done that is criminal?
If you want the US out of Iraq, you don't support the troops.
Bush took office with the country in a recession.
If you care about the environment, you're a tree hugger.
Republicans would succeed if it weren't for liberal politicism.
Bill Clinton!, Ted Kennedy!, Nancy Pelosi!, Wm. Jefferson!
We've done so much good in Iraq, if only America knew!
The surge has worked! Mission accomplished!
Barak Obama is an angry black man, and a Muslim.
John McCave hasn't flip flopped, and neither has Bush.
Bush has a good plan, and it would work if you'd let it!
Thank God we didn't have John Kerry or Al Gore as President!
etc., etc., etc.,.....................................
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Yes, under Bush everything is just fine and dandy.
Those who aren't happy now, don't have a clue.
If you're not voting for McCave, you're a Bush hater.
Invading Iraq was all good and it's proving itself so.
History will show Bush to have been a great president.
If you want serious change in America, you're Socialist.
Iraq was supporting the worlds terrorists before the invasion.
If Bush deserves to be impeached, then why hasn't he?
What has the Bush administration done that is criminal?
If you want the US out of Iraq, you don't support the troops.
Bush took office with the country in a recession.
If you care about the environment, you're a tree hugger.
Republicans would succeed if it weren't for liberal politicism.
Bill Clinton!, Ted Kennedy!, Nancy Pelosi!, Wm. Jefferson!
We've done so much good in Iraq, if only America knew!
The surge has worked! Mission accomplished!
Barak Obama is an angry black man, and a Muslim.
John McCave hasn't flip flopped, and neither has Bush.
Bush has a good plan, and it would work if you'd let it!
Thank God we didn't have John Kerry or Al Gore as President!
etc., etc., etc.,.....................................
Very nicely said
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