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Old 07-18-2008, 01:54 PM
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I don't know. I can't picture Jeff Foxworthy saying "Where my honkies at?".
I think the bad word for whites should be cracker.
P.S. If I'm a portagee am i white? (*)(*)(*)(*) i don't even know who i am anymore
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Old 07-18-2008, 02:00 PM
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I agree that it is a bad word. No argument there, but i will never understand why some people can use it and others can't. Can some one please explain this to me. I have never heard an explination that satisfies me. Maybe this has already been discused. If so I apoligize for bringing it up again. It just seems to me that black Americans have a double standard on several issues. For instance jokes. I'm a portagee and people tell dumb portagee jokes all the time and I'm not offended.
I am a black American and I don't support the use of the word by blacks and especially not whites for obvious reasons. Its an all around derogatory term, no matter how you put its. You can't turn wrong into right. There are many blacks who condemn the use of the word by anyone, including blacks. Usually the old school hip hop fans specifically look down upon the "N word" and it how it has poisoned hip hop. So, there is a percentage of both young and old who condemn the use of the word.

I must admit that I do not take offense when a black person says it, but I do believe that the word should not be used by whites nor blacks. This is something that people like Bill Cosby has been saying for decades. And, the truth is, the "N Word" is spreading. It is becoming acceptable for everyone to say other then whites. The truth is, no only blacks say the "N Word", but Mexicans and Asians also. There are many Mexicans and Asians who say the word and no black takes offense, specially if they have the hip hop style. In reality, its simply another White/Black divide.
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I heard a black person explain that it's a "bad word" because of the hurt that it reminds them of. So, if the word brings back painful memories, why would the black people want to use it?
How do you tell a kid that it's a bad word only if some people use it?
It's just more of "seperate but equal", or pure BS. "Your free speech is free only if I say so".
Its actually a deep mental issue. Blacks try to use it as a "joking/friendly" way to forget the pain & hurt of the word. Its almost as if it began with blacks trying to convince themselves the word doesn't hurt them and ease their racial pains by using the word. Using the word is 100% wrong, but, which is more hurtful? You calling yourself a whore, or someone else calling you a whore? It started as a form of "joking" about ones self. Almost like someone would joke about their weight or flaws as a result of being humiliated and taunted their wholes life. I consider it a sickness.
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Its actually a deep mental issue. Blacks try to use it as a "joking/friendly" way to forget the pain & hurt of the word. Its almost as if it began with blacks trying to convince themselves the word doesn't hurt them and ease their racial pains by using the word. Using the word is 100% wrong, but, which is more hurtful? You calling yourself a whore, or someone else calling you a whore? It started as a form of "joking" about ones self. Almost like someone would joke about their weight or flaws as a result of being humiliated and taunted their wholes life. I consider it a sickness.
I can accept that. But again, how does one explain to a child that a bad word is only bad if certain people use it?
I'm white & my husband is white, but our family looks like the UN. We have three daughter in laws that maiden names are, "Tajima", "Saudia", & "Navarro", a niece that is married to a black guy. Our daughters-in-law have been called some pretty nasty names, "zipper head", "wet back", "terrorist", to name a few. Our nieces kids have been called "(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)" & herself has been called a " honky whore". These "names" have come from blacks & whites, so black people don't have the market cornered on being called hateful names. However, it seems to be that many believe that only black people can be "hurt or offended" by name calling.
Our family doesn't put up with name calling, none of them do.
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I can accept that. But again, how does one explain to a child that a bad word is only bad if certain people use it?
I'm white & my husband is white, but our family looks like the UN. We have three daughter in laws that maiden names are, "Tajima", "Saudia", & "Navarro", a niece that is married to a black guy. Our daughters-in-law have been called some pretty nasty names, "zipper head", "wet back", "terrorist", to name a few. Our nieces kids have been called "(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)" & herself has been called a " honky whore". These "names" have come from blacks & whites, so black people don't have the market cornered on being called hateful names. However, it seems to be that many believe that only black people can be "hurt or offended" by name calling.
Our family doesn't put up with name calling, none of them do.
edited, the blanked out word are h*o*n*k*y w*h*o*r*e
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Its actually a deep mental issue. Blacks try to use it as a "joking/friendly" way to forget the pain & hurt of the word. Its almost as if it began with blacks trying to convince themselves the word doesn't hurt them and ease their racial pains by using the word. Using the word is 100% wrong, but, which is more hurtful? You calling yourself a whore, or someone else calling you a whore? It started as a form of "joking" about ones self. Almost like someone would joke about their weight or flaws as a result of being humiliated and taunted their wholes life. I consider it a sickness.
This is a pretty good point and it makes some sence. But it would only hurt to be called a whore if you were a whore and thought of it as a bad thing. So if i say whats up N word i don't mean anything bad by it its almost slang the way its used today, way is that wrong for a white guy? I would like to make clear that i don't think anyone should use the word I'm just trying to make a point. I'm sure there are many girls out there that jokeingly call there friends whores. Then again i guess that if a stranger called them a whore they would be pretty upset. Growing up i went to school where whites were the minority. So naturaly i had some black friends, but it just seems that no matter how close you think you are they still are offended by jokes and the N word. But they never had any restictions on speech at all. I've had black girls tell my girl friend "(*)(*)(*)(*) girl you got a fine white boy" is that ok? Joking around I've been called cracker, white boy, and honkey. I have no problem with that. It just seems one sided. I believe in equall rights for all, even white people.
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I agree that it is a bad word. No argument there, but i will never understand why some people can use it and others can't. Can some one please explain this to me. I have never heard an explination that satisfies me. Maybe this has already been discused. If so I apoligize for bringing it up again. It just seems to me that black Americans have a double standard on several issues. For instance jokes. I'm a portagee and people tell dumb portagee jokes all the time and I'm not offended.
let me direct you to an existing thread where this topic is already under extensiove discussion. in doing so allow me to point out the one post which i believe best encapsulates the issue and responds to your specific request for explanation of the word's use:
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(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) doesnt necessarily mean ignorant. i think its just the evolved word for negro, which basically means black. the connotation can be so negative, however, that its associated with all sorts of bad things.

people who dont use the nword to offend, use it like others use words that arent considered positive but dont necessarily mean to offend. like, (*)(*)(*)(*)(*), punk, chump, etc. it has everything to do with context.

if your friend regularly refers to you as a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) or something similar, and thats the rapport you have, its typically not a problem. have a stranger say the same thing and theres a difference. the same can be said of positive stuff. if you call your girlfriend, baby, its no problem, but if some random guy says it to her, hes probably crossed a line.

assuming youre not black, if you use the nword as a negative, or to mock others who use the nword, you will offend people. use it in a context that isnt demeaning, and youll probably turn some heads, but wont be judged as harshly. non blacks get away with using the nword all the time, so long as their intentions are in the right place. people can tell.
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This is a quote from the poster above
"assuming youre not black, if you use the nword as a negative, or to mock others who use the nword, you will offend people. use it in a context that isnt demeaning, and youll probably turn some heads, but wont be judged as harshly. non blacks get away with using the nword all the time, so long as their intentions are in the right place. people can tell"

Well maybe times have changed, but back in 82 use it at all and your through. Even if the person has known you for years and knows your not a racist.
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If a black person is offended by a white person calling them a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*), but think it's okay for other blacks to call them the same thing, they are racist.
If it's okay for one person to say it, it's okay for everyone.
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I agree if its ok for one group of people to say then it should be alright for all to say, im not saying a agree with the use of this word but there should not be a double standard on it either.
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