Political Forum
     

Go Back   Political Forum > General Political Chat > Political Opinions & Beliefs


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 07-19-2008, 05:54 AM
B L Zeebub's Avatar
B L Zeebub B L Zeebub is offline
Guru
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Evicted by the Landlords
Posts: 4,763
croatia european union
B L Zeebub has a reputation beyond reputeB L Zeebub has a reputation beyond reputeB L Zeebub has a reputation beyond reputeB L Zeebub has a reputation beyond reputeB L Zeebub has a reputation beyond reputeB L Zeebub has a reputation beyond reputeB L Zeebub has a reputation beyond reputeB L Zeebub has a reputation beyond reputeB L Zeebub has a reputation beyond reputeB L Zeebub has a reputation beyond reputeB L Zeebub has a reputation beyond repute
Credits: 27,945
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaro View Post
We’re Not in Lake Wobegon Anymore

By Garrison Keillor

Something has gone seriously haywire with the Republican Party. Once, it was the party of pragmatic Main Street businessmen in steel-rimmed spectacles who decried profligacy and waste, were devoted to their communities and supported the sort of prosperity that raises all ships. They were good-hearted people who vanquished the gnarlier elements of their party, the paranoid Roosevelt-haters, the flat Earthers and Prohibitionists, the antipapist antiforeigner element. The genial Eisenhower was their man, a genuine American hero of D-Day, who made it OK for reasonable people to vote Republican. He brought the Korean War to a stalemate, produced the Interstate Highway System, declined to rescue the French colonial army in Vietnam, and gave us a period of peace and prosperity, in which (oddly) American arts and letters flourished and higher education burgeoned—and there was a degree of plain decency in the country. Fifties Republicans were giants compared to today’s. Richard Nixon was the last Republican leader to feel a Christian obligation toward the poor.

In the years between Nixon and Newt Gingrich, the party migrated southward down the Twisting Trail of Rhetoric and sneered at the idea of public service and became the Scourge of Liberalism, the Great Crusade Against the Sixties, the Death Star of Government, a gang of pirates that diverted and fascinated the media by their sheer chutzpah, such as the misty-eyed flag-waving of Ronald Reagan who, while George McGovern flew bombers in World War II, took a pass and made training films in Long Beach. The Nixon moderate vanished like the passenger pigeon, purged by a legion of angry white men who rose to power on pure punk politics. “Bipartisanship is another term of date rape,” says Grover Norquist, the Sid Vicious of the GOP. “I don’t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.” The boy has Oedipal problems and government is his daddy.

The party of Lincoln and Liberty was transmogrified into the party of hairy-backed swamp developers and corporate shills, faith-based economists, fundamentalist bullies with Bibles, Christians of convenience, freelance racists, misanthropic frat boys, shrieking midgets of AM radio, tax cheats, nihilists in golf pants, brownshirts in pinstripes, sweatshop tycoons, hacks, fakirs, aggressive dorks, Lamborghini libertarians, people who believe Neil Armstrong’s moonwalk was filmed in Roswell, New Mexico, little honkers out to diminish the rest of us, Newt’s evil spawn and their Etch-A-Sketch president, a dull and rigid man suspicious of the free flow of information and of secular institutions, whose philosophy is a jumble of badly sutured body parts trying to walk. Republicans: The No.1 reason the rest of the world thinks we’re deaf, dumb and dangerous.

Rich ironies abound! Lies pop up like toadstools in the forest! Wild swine crowd round the public trough! Outrageous gerrymandering! Pocket lining on a massive scale! Paid lobbyists sit in committee rooms and write legislation to alleviate the suffering of billionaires! Hypocrisies shine like cat turds in the moonlight! O Mark Twain, where art thou at this hour? Arise and behold the Gilded Age reincarnated gaudier than ever, upholding great wealth as the sure sign of Divine Grace.

Here in 2004, George W. Bush is running for reelection on a platform of tragedy—the single greatest failure of national defense in our history, the attacks of 9/11 in which 19 men with box cutters put this nation into a tailspin, a failure the details of which the White House fought to keep secret even as it ran the country into hock up to the hubcaps, thanks to generous tax cuts for the well-fixed, hoping to lead us into a box canyon of debt that will render government impotent, even as we engage in a war against a small country that was undertaken for the president’s personal satisfaction but sold to the American public on the basis of brazen misinformation, a war whose purpose is to distract us from an enormous transfer of wealth taking place in this country, flowing upward, and the deception is working beautifully.

The concentration of wealth and power in the hands of the few is the death knell of democracy. No republic in the history of humanity has survived this. The election of 2004 will say something about what happens to ours. The omens are not good.

Our beloved land has been fogged with fear—fear, the greatest political strategy ever. An ominous silence, distant sirens, a drumbeat of whispered warnings and alarms to keep the public uneasy and silence the opposition. And in a time of vague fear, you can appoint bullet-brained judges, strip the bark off the Constitution, eviscerate federal regulatory agencies, bring public education to a standstill, stupefy the press, lavish gorgeous tax breaks on the rich.

There is a stink drifting through this election year. It isn’t the Florida recount or the Supreme Court decision. No, it’s 9/11 that we keep coming back to. It wasn’t the “end of innocence,” or a turning point in our history, or a cosmic occurrence, it was an event, a lapse of security. And patriotism shouldn’t prevent people from asking hard questions of the man who was purportedly in charge of national security at the time.

Whenever I think of those New Yorkers hurrying along Park Place or getting off the No.1 Broadway local, hustling toward their office on the 90th floor, the morning paper under their arms, I think of that non-reader George W. Bush and how he hopes to exploit those people with a little economic uptick, maybe the capture of Osama, cruise to victory in November and proceed to get some serious nation-changing done in his second term.

This year, as in the past, Republicans will portray us Democrats as embittered academics, desiccated Unitarians, whacked-out hippies and communards, people who talk to telephone poles, the party of the Deadheads. They will wave enormous flags and wow over and over the footage of firemen in the wreckage of the World Trade Center and bodies being carried out and they will lie about their economic policies with astonishing enthusiasm.

The Union is what needs defending this year. Government of Enron and by Halliburton and for the Southern Baptists is not the same as what Lincoln spoke of. This gang of Pithecanthropus Republicanii has humbugged us to death on terrorism and tax cuts for the comfy and school prayer and flag burning and claimed the right to know what books we read and to dump their sewage upstream from the town and clear-cut the forests and gut the IRS and mark up the constitution on behalf of intolerance and promote the corporate takeover of the public airwaves and to hell with anybody who opposes them.

This is a great country, and it wasn’t made so by angry people. We have a sacred duty to bequeath it to our grandchildren in better shape than however we found it. We have a long way to go and we’re not getting any younger.

Dante said that the hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who in time of crisis remain neutral, so I have spoken my piece, and thank you, dear reader. It’s a beautiful world, rain or shine, and there is more to life than winning.
thank you!
__________________
None. Mod edit to remove profanity. Fools to the left of me, Jokers to the right, here I am stuck up the middle of you!
Religion is a load of bollocks,

Im a Tart, What! you want some of this


Im glad I am a bottom feeder, not an arse licker!

We are Doooooooooomed
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Red Cross - Donate Today    Save the Rainforest
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 07-19-2008, 06:37 AM
Truth-Bringer's Avatar
Truth-Bringer Truth-Bringer is offline
Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: United States
Posts: 5,153
usa us alabama
Truth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud of
Credits: 48,092
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaro View Post
The genial Eisenhower was their man, a genuine American hero of D-Day, who made it OK for reasonable people to vote Republican.
LOL. Yeah collectivist statists in the Democratic Party love seeing collectivist statists empowered in the Republican Party.

Reasonable people? ROTFLMAO. The clown who wrote this is completely and totally irrational.

Quote:
Richard Nixon was the last Republican leader to feel a Christian obligation toward the poor.
ROTFL. And he was a crook and a lying, deceptive fraud. His obligation was to maintain power. He had no love of the poor. He wanted power, prestige, and wanted to use his power to please enough people to keep getting elected, with no regard for the Constitution or for unalienable rights.
__________________
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 07-19-2008, 07:33 AM
Zaro's Avatar
Zaro Zaro is offline
Guru
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,396
Zaro has a reputation beyond reputeZaro has a reputation beyond reputeZaro has a reputation beyond reputeZaro has a reputation beyond reputeZaro has a reputation beyond reputeZaro has a reputation beyond reputeZaro has a reputation beyond reputeZaro has a reputation beyond reputeZaro has a reputation beyond reputeZaro has a reputation beyond reputeZaro has a reputation beyond repute
Credits: 12,886
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth-Bringer View Post
LOL. Yeah collectivist statists in the Democratic Party love seeing collectivist statists empowered in the Republican Party.

Reasonable people? ROTFLMAO. The clown who wrote this is completely and totally irrational.



ROTFL. And he was a crook and a lying, deceptive fraud. His obligation was to maintain power. He had no love of the poor. He wanted power, prestige, and wanted to use his power to please enough people to keep getting elected, with no regard for the Constitution or for unalienable rights.

For all their lousy politics the GOP is nontheless able to find suckers who go and vote for 'em. The Libertarians can't manage that.
__________________
"I think the deregulation was probably helpful to the growth of our economy."
-Sen. John McCain 09/22/2008
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 07-19-2008, 07:42 AM
Truth-Bringer's Avatar
Truth-Bringer Truth-Bringer is offline
Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: United States
Posts: 5,153
usa us alabama
Truth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud of
Credits: 48,092
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaro View Post
For all their lousy politics the GOP is nontheless able to find suckers who go and vote for 'em. The Libertarians can't manage that.
We don't look for suckers. We look for strong, independent people who make reasoned, intelligent decisions - and those people aren't very plentiful in this country.

In fact, many people in this country and just plain ignorant. That's why they like Republicans and Democrats so much.

Quote:
The Libertarians can't manage that.

That's because your boys have stacked the deck against us, like the good little lying, manipulative demons that they are.
__________________
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 07-19-2008, 07:46 AM
Zaro's Avatar
Zaro Zaro is offline
Guru
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,396
Zaro has a reputation beyond reputeZaro has a reputation beyond reputeZaro has a reputation beyond reputeZaro has a reputation beyond reputeZaro has a reputation beyond reputeZaro has a reputation beyond reputeZaro has a reputation beyond reputeZaro has a reputation beyond reputeZaro has a reputation beyond reputeZaro has a reputation beyond reputeZaro has a reputation beyond repute
Credits: 12,886
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth-Bringer View Post
We don't look for suckers. We look for strong, independent people who make reasoned, intelligent decisions -
That's the part that gets ya. Reasoned and intelligent people think Libertarians are kooks.
__________________
"I think the deregulation was probably helpful to the growth of our economy."
-Sen. John McCain 09/22/2008
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 07-19-2008, 08:09 AM
myview myview is offline
Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 158
myview will become famous soon enough
Credits: 1,056
Default

America needs to quit bickering and fire them all. Dems and Rep. Politicians today are screwing everything up. We need to send a message, don't vote for either of them, but do vote.
__________________
God favors no group only religions do that
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 07-19-2008, 08:49 AM
White Fox's Avatar
White Fox White Fox is offline
Guru
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: 催眠療法
Posts: 8,091
austria us georgia
White Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond repute
Credits: 44,893
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaro View Post
They were good-hearted people who vanquished the gnarlier elements of their party, the paranoid Roosevelt-haters, the flat Earthers and Prohibitionists, the antipapist antiforeigner element.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_Party
The [Prohibition] party was founded in 1869. Its first National Committee Chairman was John Russell of Michigan, who served from 1867-1872 [2]. The party succeeded in getting many communities and a number of states to outlaw the production and sale of intoxicating beverages.
National Prohibition Convention, Cincinnati, Ohio, 1892.
National Prohibition Convention, Cincinnati, Ohio, 1892.

At the same time, the party's ideology broadened to include aspects of progressivism. The party contributed to the third-party discussions of the 1910s and sent Charles H. Randall to the 64th, 65th and 66th Congresses as the representative of California's 9th congressional district. Prohibitionist Sidney J. Catts was elected Governor of Florida in 1916, serving 1917-1921.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_J._Catts
Sidney Johnston Catts (July 31, 1863—March 9, 1936) was an American politician. He was the twenty-second governor of Florida and with Congressman Charles Randall of California one of only two members of the Prohibition Party to ever hold office.

Catts was born in Pleasant Hill, Alabama and he earned a law degree from Cumberland School of Law at Cumberland University in 1882. Catts became a pastor in Alabama and soon he moved to Florida. Catts then left his job as a pastor to sell insurance.

In 1916, he ran for Governor of Florida as a Democrat. He won the nomination at first, but a recount was ordered and he came in second. After that, he received the nomination of the Prohibition Party. Catts called for reform and also had anti-Catholic and anti-black messages; he publicly labeled black residents as part of "an inferior race," and refused to criticize two lynchings in 1919. When the NAACP complained about these lynchings, Catts wrote denouncing the organization and blacks generally, declaring that "Your Race is always harping on the disgrace it brings to the state by a concourse of white people taking revenge for the dishonoring of a white woman, when if you would . . . [teach] your people not to kill our white officers and disgrace our white women, you would keep down a thousand times greater disgrace."[1] . On election day, he was able to win the election with 43% of the vote. Catts served as governor from January 2, 1917 to January 4, 1921. As Governor, his proposals for reform were stopped by the state legislature.

Catts was ineligible to run for reelection in 1920 and he ran for the United States Senate as a Democrat,
losing by a large margin to Senator Duncan U. Fletcher. Catts ran for Governor in 1924 and 1928, losing both times. Catts was one of the Democrats who worked against Presidential nominee Al Smith due to his religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_H._Randall
Charles Hiram Randall (July 23, 1865 - February 18, 1951) was a Politician from California.

Randall was born in Auburn, Nebraska. He published newspapers in Kimball and Harrisburg, Nebraska from 1885 to 1892. In 1904, he moved to California.

Randall was a member of the California State Assembly from 1911 to 1912.

In 1914, Randall was elected to the United States Congress as a member of the Prohibition Party. Randall won 28,097 votes (30.9%), Congressman Charles W. Bell won 27,560 votes (30.3%), Republican Frank C. Roberts won 25,176 (27.7%), and Socialist Henry Hart won 10,084 votes (11.09%). Taking advantage of California election laws at the time, Randall was re-elected in 1916 as the nominee of the Prohibition, Democratic, Republican, and Progressive parties defeating Charles W. Bell (running as an independent candidate) by the margin of 58,826 to 33,270 (57.8% to 32.7%) with 9,661 votes for the Socialist Party candidate. Randall was re-elected by a 38,782 to 31,689 (55% to 45%) margin over a Republican in 1918. He is the only person designated as a member of the Prohibition Party to ever serve in the United States Congress. Randall was defeated for re-election in 1920 by a Republican, by margin of 62,952 votes (60%) to 36,675 votes.

Randall ran in 1922 (45,794 votes and 41%), 1924 (67,735 votes and 36% as a candidate of the Prohibition, Socialist, and Democratic parties), 1926 (61,719 votes and 38%), 1934 (18760 votes and 14% as a Progressive), and 1940 (36406 votes and 22% as a candidate of the Prohibition and Progressive parties).
__________________
.
"It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance.

--Murray Rothbard


Join the Libertarians!

Last edited by White Fox; 07-19-2008 at 08:50 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 07-19-2008, 10:33 AM
Truth-Bringer's Avatar
Truth-Bringer Truth-Bringer is offline
Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: United States
Posts: 5,153
usa us alabama
Truth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud ofTruth-Bringer has much to be proud of
Credits: 48,092
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaro View Post
That's the part that gets ya. Reasoned and intelligent people think Libertarians are kooks.
Again, do you have anything besides constant Appeals to Ridicule?

I didn't think so...
__________________
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 07-19-2008, 02:42 PM
Guy Fawkes's Avatar
Guy Fawkes Guy Fawkes is offline
Guru
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: California
Posts: 6,129
usa de hesse
Guy Fawkes has a reputation beyond reputeGuy Fawkes has a reputation beyond reputeGuy Fawkes has a reputation beyond reputeGuy Fawkes has a reputation beyond reputeGuy Fawkes has a reputation beyond reputeGuy Fawkes has a reputation beyond reputeGuy Fawkes has a reputation beyond reputeGuy Fawkes has a reputation beyond reputeGuy Fawkes has a reputation beyond reputeGuy Fawkes has a reputation beyond reputeGuy Fawkes has a reputation beyond repute
Credits: 4,099
Default

cowardice .....
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 07-19-2008, 02:52 PM
Angel Of Mercy's Avatar
Angel Of Mercy Angel Of Mercy is offline
Correspondent
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: East Heaven
Posts: 222
Angel Of Mercy is just really niceAngel Of Mercy is just really niceAngel Of Mercy is just really niceAngel Of Mercy is just really nice
Credits: 1,869
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Guy Fawkes View Post
How many Iraqis were killed by their own countrymen?
The article I'm quoting is here. Read it for yourself and then make up your own mind. For myself, I trust their methodology because they don't have a dog in this fight...
__________________
"Tomorrow, you're all going to wake up in a Brave New World, a world where the Constitution gets trampled by an army of terrorist clones created in a stem cell research laboratory, run by homosexual doctors who sterilize their instruments over burning American flags!"
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The end of the Republican party? gmb92 Elections & Campaigns 50 02-06-2008 11:40 AM
welcome to the republican party ---locke--- Humor & Satire 0 01-11-2007 08:16 AM
Republican Party - Party of the Antichrist Grisu Current Events 7 06-07-2006 02:26 PM
There may not be a republican party MigouTracker Elections & Campaigns 12 08-20-2004 09:26 PM
Welcome to the Republican Party ThereseM Political Opinions & Beliefs 68 08-16-2004 02:11 PM

Sponsored Links

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:10 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0
Template-Modifikationen durch TMS
vBCredits v1.3 ©2007 by Darkwaltz4
Advertisement System V2.1 By   Branden