Let Third party Candidates Speak! - Page 2

White Fox · #11 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by katiegrrl0

They probably won't even let him park the car in the driveway. A sad state of affairs this is.

They're just afraid!

jlukas823 · #12 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Raharu Haruha

What, no Ron Paul?

Almost all of his videos are him being rushed out of his 5 minutes to speak. It's sickening.

Jack · #13 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jukenjab

I agree! However, have you seen some of the jokers that the minor parties run as candidates.

Have you noticed the jokers that the Republicans & Democrats run as candidates? They promise everybody everything and deliver next to nothing, and what they do deliver is most often unconstitutional.

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If they could find people with more charisma and an ability to sell a platform, I think they could legitimately compete.

You mean another flim-flam man with sugar dripping from his lips totally able to lie with a straight face? Don’t we already have more of those types than we need? How about some candidates with constitutional integrity and every intension of living up to their oath of office? Wouldn’t that be better than another pretty faced oratorical bull-crap artist?

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Also, have you noticed that we are not a two party state? We are a one party state with a "republican" side and a "democratic" side. This party believes in a dictatorial executive, an intrusive legislature, a judiciary that licks the party's boots, and passing the buck to future generations. Does this not reflect democratic and republican deeds?

Bingo!

Let’s see how the duopoly party manages to keep Bob Barr and Ralph Nader out of the debates this election. I would guess that neither is willing to buy their way into the debates like Ross Perot, nor do they have that kind of money. Personally, I’d love to see a Bob Barr/Ron Paul ticket on my ballot and see them in a debate with Obama and McCain and whoever they choose for running mates. I think that presidential and vise presidential candidates should all be on any and every debate stage at the same time. After-all, who knew they were really voting for President Cheney in the last two elections and Bush was simply his stooge?

Butercupp · #14 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack

Have you noticed the jokers that the Republicans & Democrats run as candidates? They promise everybody everything and deliver next to nothing, and what they do deliver is most often unconstitutional.

You mean another flim-flam man with sugar dripping from his lips totally able to lie with a straight face? Don’t we already have more of those types than we need? How about some candidates with constitutional integrity and every intension of living up to their oath of office? Wouldn’t that be better than another pretty faced oratorical bull-crap artist?

Bingo!

Let’s see how the duopoly party manages to keep Bob Barr and Ralph Nader out of the debates this election. I would guess that neither is willing to buy their way into the debates like Ross Perot, nor do they have that kind of money. Personally, I’d love to see a Bob Barr/Ron Paul ticket on my ballot and see them in a debate with Obama and McCain and whoever they choose for running mates. I think that presidential and vise presidential candidates should all be on any and every debate stage at the same time. After-all, who knew they were really voting for President Cheney in the last two elections and Bush was simply his stooge?

So at this point I guess we should ask ourselves... What do we DO about this double standard that everyone, Rep and Dem, agree is going on??

Can we get them 3rd party canidates on the stage?!

Truth-Bringer · #15 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Butercupp

Can we get them 3rd party canidates on the stage?!

The only way this is going to happen is if people who want third parties to be heard actually start contributing MONEY to third parties and actually VOTE for third parties.

If the poll numbers and exposure start rising, then they won't need the approval of either party. The Democrats and Republicans are going to do everything in their power to keep third parties down.

White Fox · #16 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Truth-Bringer

The Democrats and Republicans are going to do everything in their power to keep third parties down.

Most likely, the political agenda of any third party will be absorbed into one of the two major parties when a third party starts to get more support. The only times where it doesn't work like that are when the two major parties can't incorporate the platforms of the third parties into their own without losing too many of their original voters. Times like those cause major parties to fall and third parties to rise, as the entire voting populace dances on issues between parties.

Quixote's Revenge · #17 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008, 01:00 PM

I agree that 3rd party candidates should be allowed to participate.

However, I am torn between what is right in my mind, and what I percieve as the repricussions of doing the right thing.

Kucinich is my guy. However, if he is heard nationally, he might draw even more attention, and potentially more votes. - So what's wrong with that?

He will be taking democratic votes, that's what's wrong. Right now, the only thing I care about is getting the republicans out of the white house before this country degrades so far that civil war or revolution is the only way out.

In that pursuit, I want a 2 party election this year. Democrats have allowed their vote to be split too many times, at too great of a cost to this Nation.

Forget the other parties, they are a wasted vote, and there are bigger fish to fry than making just making a statement, by voting ofr a guy that has zero chance to win. Pat yourself on the back for thinking out of the box, then shut up and vote democrat....

It sucks to say it, but I really think that a vote for a 3rd party (in this election) is a vote for anarchy. - And remember, Kucinich is my guy....but this is serious effing business, and we all need to sacrifice to save this country from hell

Neoconfection · #18 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Butercupp

Anyone who is in the race should be allowed to Debate!

Whether you agree with their veiws or not, they should be allowed to debate.
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I do not understand why there are certain requirements for the debates. I think many people get the information about the candidates from the debates, and we as the American people would be more informed about each candidate if we were able to see them all in a debate. I am ashamed of the Media. I am ashamed of ourselves for allowing the Media to make candidates sit outside, (Not even a ticket?!) for a debate. I wonder how many people would vote for Nader is they didn’t think they would be throwing away their vote. I hear many people say they like a third party better, but they know that the vote is wasted.

Let the Third Party Candidates Speak!!! Or, are the two major parties afraid? It sure looks that way.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...r-debate_x.htm

“Nader…wasn't allowed in the hall to even watch the debate, much less take part. Instead, he watched the debate with students on a big screen at the University Center Cafeteria…” – USA Today, 2004.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...e-over-debate/

“…Mr. Kucinich w[ill] not share the stage with the party’s three leading contenders, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama, and John Edwards…”

Third party candidates can post websites, go on youtube, whatever. Nobody has a right to debate anyone. They can debate a Dem or Rep, by becoming the Nominee for the opposing party.

Don't waste my time with them in a Dem vs Rep. debate. I don't want to see Nader in a debate between Barack and McCAin. I want to see what the future Pres. has to say (it will be either Barack or McCain) not what some hack like Nader spouts off, since he's not going to be President, and not even going to be an elected official, or even appointed as dog catcher.

Truth-Bringer · #19 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008, 03:21 PM

FOX News Poll: Third Party President Good for Country

Thursday, June 28, 2007

By Dana Blanton

NEW YORK — Nearly half of Americans think it would be good for the country if an independent candidate won the 2008 presidential election, according to the latest FOX News Poll. And despite acknowledging the improbability of the candidate winning, a majority says they would consider voting for an independent for president.

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"We also need third parties to represent a vast part of our population. A USA Today/CNN/Gallup poll in October, 2002 showed 35 percent of Americans consider themselves independents. Only 32 percent consider themselves Republicans and 31 percent consider themselves Democrats. So most Americans do not consider themselves a member of either major party. No wonder almost half of Americans don't vote even in presidential elections when we only have two major parties involved and so many people feel neither one speaks for them."

"The American people also say they want third parties included in the debates. A FoxNews/Opinion Dynamics Poll showed that in 2000, 64 percent of the American people wanted to see Ralph Nader and Pat Buchanan, the biggest third party candidates, in the debates. That was corroborated in other polls, including an NBC News Today Show Poll."

Butercupp · #20 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008, 05:09 PM

Quix - You make a valid point. Maybe next election we can make a stand. Do what is right.

Truth Bringer - Thank you for posting that! Ineresting to see I am not the only one who feels this way.

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