General charges Bush with War Crimes - Page 3

Daybreaker · #21 (**permalink**) 07-20-2008, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy Fawkes

File charges then.

Honestly, while I think you have a point overall (we really should get around to taking all authorities to task for their abuses of power), the inability of those without power to seek redress against those with power is not really a sign that those in power are justified.

It's like you basically concede the argument that Bush is evil and respond with, "And what are you gonna do about it?" Which is valid, certainly. But I don't know if it's the question you mean to be asking.

f100supersabr · #22 (**permalink**) 07-20-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

I thought Bush had protected himself against such charges? Maybe this protection can be overturned and he can be charged. I'd certainly like to see it.

Anyone can make charges against anyone but very few and very rarely are any charges proven, anyway.

katiegrrl0 · #23 (**permalink**) 07-20-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy Fawkes

I bet if you were in a room full of our enemies on your knees with some nut job holding a knife to your throat, you'd be crying your arse off wishing the Navy SEALs were on their way. You know the same Navy SEALs that take orders from the Commander-in-chief, George Bush.

You people are pathetic, sympathizing with the enemy, I know lets all sit around the campfire and sing happy songs with them. koom-by-ya my lord....

Like I said before every POTUS sits over treatment worse than this.

If i were in that position I would probably be hoping to be rescued by someone. I wouldn't really care who did it.

But if i were rescued i would certainly not want my country to repeat the same things if they were evil no the enemy.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind M.K. Ganghi

There are many causes that i would die for but none that I would killfor. M.K.Ghandi

Guy Fawkes · #24 (**permalink**) 07-20-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Daybreaker

Honestly, while I think you have a point overall (we really should get around to taking all authorities to task for their abuses of power), the inability of those without power to seek redress against those with power is not really a sign that those in power are justified.

It's like you basically concede the argument that Bush is evil and respond with, "And what are you gonna do about it?" Which is valid, certainly. But I don't know if it's the question you mean to be asking.

Then you just arrived to the party too. I do hold all of those responsible for their actions I'm not one of the non-solutionists you see posting here. Or should I say the Bush is Evil Crowd?

I didn't vote for these people I do vote against them as I see the guilt in all of them while some here only see guilt were it's convenient.

Zaro · #25 (**permalink**) 07-20-2008, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy Fawkes

File charges then.. make sure to include every member of Congress too.

I'm not a victim of his war crimes. But there are plenty and somebody will.

Guy Fawkes · #26 (**permalink**) 07-20-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by katiegrrl0

If i were in that position I would probably be hoping to be rescued by someone. I wouldn't really care who did it.

But if i were rescued i would certainly not want my country to repeat the same things if they were evil no the enemy.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind M.K. Ganghi

There are many causes that i would die for but none that I would killfor. M.K.Ghandi

Then you have no idea what it really takes to have a free country.

Just the way it is when you're on top.

Guy Fawkes · #27 (**permalink**) 07-20-2008, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaro

I'm not a victim of his war crimes. But there are plenty and somebody will.

Zaro do me a favor, when you can comprehend what it is I'm saying, then would be the time for s response. You seem to be off track or confused as to my remarks, then you have been before. SO do me a favor, DON"T.

alexg · #28 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Guy Fawkes

Then you have no idea what it really takes to have a free country.

I don't think our Founding Fathers would agree with your definition of a free country. In fact, they went to great lengths to craft a constitution which limits the unchecked power of the state specifically to prevent these kinds of abuses.

I think what the neo-cons wanted wasn't a free country but a permanent dictatorship with themselves in charge. They've certainly shown their disdain for the courts and the legislative branch and for the voters.

Rusticus · #29 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by alexg

General who probed Abu Ghraib says Bush officials committed war crimes

WASHINGTON — The Army general who led the investigation into prisoner abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison accused the Bush administration Wednesday of committing "war crimes" and called for those responsible to be held to account.

The remarks by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, who's now retired, came in a new report that found that U.S. personnel tortured and abused detainees in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, using beatings, electrical shocks, sexual humiliation and other cruel practices.

"After years of disclosures by government investigations, media accounts and reports from human rights organizations, there is no longer any doubt as to whether the current administration has committed war crimes," Taguba wrote. "The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account."

Taguba, whose 2004 investigation documented chilling abuses at Abu Ghraib, is thought to be the most senior official to have accused the administration of war crimes. "The commander in chief and those under him authorized a systematic regime of torture," he wrote.

A White House spokeswoman, Kate Starr, had no comment.

more at: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/41514.html

When martial law is declared, Taguba will be in the first group of "terrorist suspects" picked up by Blackwater.

TheStripey1 · #30 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy Fawkes

I forgot to ask, Are you angry that our enemies were treated a little rough is that why you posted this thread or is it that you just hate Bush and were looking for like minded friends? One thing about haters they always have friends. I'm looking for some problem solver forward looking types with no political bias. Well just don't vote for any of these lying idiots.

If our enemies are treated in any way not conforming with the Geneva Conventions, then yes, I am angry about it. That our contry has indulged in a practice previously condemned is a black mark against us all. Those that condone it however, are the most guilty.

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Originally Posted by justsayn

I have found that Americans are completely unaware of the nature of the "torture" that has been documented in different military prisons.

The 4th branch of the government, aka the media, did a superb job of keeping the national consensus that all we did was pour a canteen over some guys' face.

and to think, that's the same media the righties constantly call liberal...

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Originally Posted by MidwestMax

Does this mean that impeachment we keep hearing about will finally get under way?

no... these proceedings, should they happen, will begin after bush's term in office...

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Originally Posted by Glinda

Couldn't BushCo be charged internationally? Does it take a US court to put that pile of garbage where it belongs? What about The Hague/International Criminal Court?

probably after his term is over... but all he has to do is stay in texas and he'll be safe... which is similar to how he stayed safe during the Viet Nam war...

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Originally Posted by Guy Fawkes

1) I bet if you were in a room full of our enemies on your knees with some nut job holding a knife to your throat, you'd be crying your arse off wishing the Navy SEALs were on their way. You know the same Navy SEALs that take orders from the Commander-in-chief, George Bush.

2) You people are pathetic, sympathizing with the enemy, I know lets all sit around the campfire and sing happy songs with them. koom-by-ya my lord....

3) Like I said before every POTUS sits over treatment worse than this.

1) They say, they leave no trooper behind, well, yeah, I would expect that the SEALs would be on their way... it's their job...

2) and you, by advocating torture, are no better than the enemy we fight...

3) you saying it doesn't make it true... got any links to back up this allegation?

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Originally Posted by Guy Fawkes

Lets see they didn't have camera phones when Kennedy, Eisenhower, LBJ, FDR, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, BushI were in office.

how very convinient for you...

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