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Default Bush's preemptive war policy violates international law

"Bush's preemptive war policy violates international law" is reason #1504 of the infamous "Thousand Reasons" not to vote for George Bush. You can read the full list at http://thousandreasons.net/listB.html
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The Bush administration's preemptive war policy, wherein he claims the right to overthrow any government suspected of being a danger to the US, goes against international law, specifically the UN Charter, which prohibits one country from attacking another unless under imminent threat of invasion. The Guardian, Friday June 07, 2002

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,38...103677,00.html

I would like to know why there hasn't been more outcry over this, especially among democrats.
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In the words of another crazy right wing nutcase:

"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer."
-- Henry Kissinger

I will never understand why Kissinger isn't rotting in a jail cell somewhere.
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Default So, I guess that war with Germany

also would have been illegal according to that. As would the Korean War, and the Vietnam War, and the First Gulf War, and the Kosovo Conflict...... Need I go go on? So I guess according to your logic, Bush is a war criminal. Well if Bush is a war criminal, than so are half of the US Presidents of the last century, INCLUDING Clinton. Like it or not, we do not wage wars based on UN regulations (and I say thank GOD for that!).
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The constitution supercedes international law. Bush's first responsibility is to America...not to international law.
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Default Huge double standard

Liberals were all fine and dandy with our involvement in Kosovo (especially the Europeans, who didn't want to risk putting their own troops in at all, but would rather have us do it) even though there was no danger from attack at all! Yet in Iraq we had evidence that Saddam was building these WMD programs (which were probably dismantled before the war btw) and liberals go nuts. Come on people!
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As I recall, Kosovo was not a UN sanctioned action either.
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As I recall, Kosovo was not a UN sanctioned action either.
It was an Illegal War! Put Milosovic back in power now! Put Clinton on trial for war crimes! It's obvious that we only went in there to appease the Europeans and so that Clinton could have a distraction while he was having an affair! He also awarded a no contract bid to Halliburton, he must be in on the scheme as well!!! (note my sarcasm.)
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The constitution supercedes international law. Bush's first responsibility is to America...not to international law.
Then, why do you suppose the war wasn't waged according to our Constitution? Article One, Section 8 gives Congress the (sole) right to declare war. When Congress gave the President permission to invade (if he chose to), they intentionally shirked their responsibility to decide whether or not we should invade and they unconstitutionally delegated power that simply isn't delegable.
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Then, why do you suppose the war wasn't waged according to our Constitution? Article One, Section 8 gives Congress the (sole) right to declare war.
Congress chose to delegate that authority to the President. Bush did not hold a gun to their head.

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When Congress gave the President permission to invade (if he chose to), they intentionally shirked their responsibility to decide whether or not we should invade and they unconstitutionally delegated power that simply isn't delegable.
Um...so why do we never hear of liberals blaming Congress then? Where in the constitution does it say they arnt allowed to delegate it?
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also would have been illegal according to that. As would the Korean War, and the Vietnam War, and the First Gulf War, and the Kosovo Conflict...... Need I go go on? So I guess according to your logic, Bush is a war criminal. Well if Bush is a war criminal, than so are half of the US Presidents of the last century, INCLUDING Clinton. Like it or not, we do not wage wars based on UN regulations (and I say thank GOD for that!).
You're right. The war against Hitler and the war against Hussein was the same thing.

The problem with that comparison is that the UN treaty that makes the invasion of Iraq illegal was entered into AFTER WWII. And, the Korean War and Vietnam war were just as needless as the Iraq war.

Unless I am wrong, the First Gulf war had UN approval and Nato participated in the Kosovo conflict.

Even if we were a signatory of the International Court of Justice, Bush would not have anything to worry about. I am sure that the Court would spend its time trying Kissinger on war crimes charges before he dies and goes to hell.
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