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Old 07-21-2008, 12:31 AM
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The point is, that it is a private mental health hospital that didn't budget well enough to accomidate it's patients. But, I bet the CEO had enough money for his boat/second home/secret lover on the side?
Oh come on. No amount of money is going to magically avoid stupid incidents like this. That guard should be prosecuted. It's not a funding issue, comrade.
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:37 AM
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Here I am...........quoting myself...........because no one else will.............
This private hospital, with its minimum wage security guard was at fault. If it was a government run facility, there would have been 2 over paid security guards (because us Dems love big government, ha) and because they are paid more, they would be more motivated to help people (by super dude’s logic) and therefore... she might have lived. But, because the CEO of this hospital believes in saving money for himself, and undercutting the pay for the staff.. No one helped her.

...and your waiting list comment has nothing to do with it, because she wasn’t in the "mental" health hospital for blood clots (one would think). So, she wouldn’t be on a waiting list. That was simply a pot shot at Socialized Medicine, which is why not one quoted you.
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No, the woman died, on the floor, infront of everyone.

The point is, that it is a private mental health hospital that didn't budget well enough to accomidate it's patients. But, I bet the CEO had enough money for his boat/second home/secret lover on the side?
Maybe the woman should have been taken care of =O?
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:40 AM
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Oh come on. No amount of money is going to magically avoid stupid incidents like this. That guard should be prosecuted. It's not a funding issue, comrade.
If you had read the artical before replying you would have seen:

"...In fact, the hospital's psychiatric unit, also known as the G Building, was notorious for being both overcrowded and indifferent to its patients. A lawsuit filed in 2007 by the New York Civil Liberties Union charged staff members with beating and handcuffing patients and injecting them with psychoactive drugs when they complained. And the Commission for Quality of Care, a state agency, found that instead of trying to locate available psychiatric beds at other area hospitals when the facility reached capacity—as required by state law—G Building employees had falsified documents to hide a persistent overcrowding problem..."

Hate to break it to you, but it was a Managment/greed s.o.b. "issue".
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If you had read the artical before replying you would have seen:

"...In fact, the hospital's psychiatric unit, also known as the G Building, was notorious for being both overcrowded and indifferent to its patients. A lawsuit filed in 2007 by the New York Civil Liberties Union charged staff members with beating and handcuffing patients and injecting them with psychoactive drugs when they complained. And the Commission for Quality of Care, a state agency, found that instead of trying to locate available psychiatric beds at other area hospitals when the facility reached capacity—as required by state law—G Building employees had falsified documents to hide a persistent overcrowding problem..."

Hate to break it to you, but it was a Managment/greed s.o.b. "issue".
How would it be any different if the health care was publicly funded?

Isn't there greed, poor management, and corruption in government agencies?
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If you had read the artical before replying you would have seen:

"...In fact, the hospital's psychiatric unit, also known as the G Building, was notorious for being both overcrowded and indifferent to its patients. A lawsuit filed in 2007 by the New York Civil Liberties Union charged staff members with beating and handcuffing patients and injecting them with psychoactive drugs when they complained. And the Commission for Quality of Care, a state agency, found that instead of trying to locate available psychiatric beds at other area hospitals when the facility reached capacity—as required by state law—G Building employees had falsified documents to hide a persistent overcrowding problem..."

Hate to break it to you, but it was a Managment/greed s.o.b. "issue".
If they were so greedy, then why were they building a new building to make more space?

"Hospital leaders insisted that the facility's troubles stemmed from space constraints, not staffing issues, and promised that a new building still under construction would help alleviate that problem. In an e-mail to NEWSWEEK, the embattled hospital says it has made "significant reforms" since then, and promises more changes are coming. But any such improvements will come too late for Green. Nearly 40 minutes after she stopped moving, a nurse walked over and lightly kicked her. By then, she was already dead. Last week the city's medical examiner cited blood clots in her legs as the official cause."
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This private hospital, with its minimum wage security guard was at fault. If it was a government run facility, there would have been 2 over paid security guards (because us Dems love big government, ha)
You mean like the overpaid TSA security agents?
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I could be wrong, but there are people out there motivated by things other then Greed. People who want to save lives. Doctors aren't the ones making the bulk of money off of Privitized hospitals. The Administrators are, so the quality of care from Doctors, and there desire to help people, would not be affected by healthcare being private or not.
You live in a peachy little world, don't you?
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Here I am...........quoting myself...........because no one else will.............
You did make me LOL though, so don't feel too bad.
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Had this been in a socialized system, she would have died at home on a waiting list instead of in the hospital.
I have yet to hear any politician propose a socialized healthcare system. Have you? If so, please provide a link.
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