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Old 07-24-2008, 04:53 PM
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I think we'd be be better of just killing off the retards and physically handicapped. They go on social security from the day they are born.

That's an entire lifetime of unearned benefits just to keep them alive. But, paying someone from the time they are 65 is cheap....

I say there are better ways to streamline....
Eliminate all social programs, let the free-loaders move to Canada.
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Old 07-24-2008, 06:37 PM
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Are you Mods (*)(*)(*)(*)ing retarded? I copy and pasted his direct insult at me and said it to him.
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You know I've already been proven wrong and accepted it. Something that they did different from you is they posted a reference which I looked up and it clearly stated what they were saying. You on the other hand simply want to blame Bush for all of your troubles. *mod edit*.
Look at the post I quoted, second line.
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That's a borderline attack...

People who agree with you are complete idiots and a disgrace to the human race.

Bush is making billion dollar decisions without consulting the "public".

We are not a true democracy, thus our government's decisions are not necessarily the decisions of the public.

Therefore, the debt fall son the government.



Also, Clinton balanced the budget and started paying off debt. Bush has almost doubled the national debt in just 7 years....

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Old 07-24-2008, 07:06 PM
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I posted my response without reading the rest of the thread. You admit I'm right and you are wrong...And I don't need to post links for things that are common knowledge to anyone with a 5th grade education. Then you regurgitate my insult back at me?

And you call me an idiot?...lol
What's with all the question? Yes I used your exact insult on you, and yes you're an idiot.
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Old 07-24-2008, 07:19 PM
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Also, Clinton balanced the budget and started paying off debt. Bush has almost doubled the national debt in just 7 years....
The budget has never been balanced. There was a 'budget surplus" BUT! the national debt in FY1998-FY2000, there was an increase of $281 billion.

I see your response coming already, so... lets just jaunt on over to US Treasury and check out what the numbers on the national debt were for said fiscal year:



Fiscal Year
Year Ending National Debt Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion

Indeed the deficit was the smallest for any fiscal year in 2000 and this I'll praise him for it. But to say there was ever a surplus is a misnomer and is misleading.
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So far (yeah - statistically invalid) it seems that the debate on how to reduce the rate of increase of government debt is between decreasing social security and cutting back on expensive wars in other people's countries. Can this really reflect what America thinks?

Just in case the full breadth of "expensive wars" makes us think that these costs consist of buying aircraft and tanks and putting soldiers into the field, take a look at the following that demonstate that these horrendous costs are at times highly questionalble or at very best, suspicious:

NYT (April 2003): “Halliburton’s government relations director says his company’s former CEO, now the vice president of the United States, has nothing to do with the company getting billions of dollars in federal contracts.”
Christian Science Monitor (October 2003) "Yet some key Iraq contracts already were bid secretly, or on a sole-source basis, to companies with strong ties to the Bush administration. These included a $1.39 billion contract to a subsidiary of Halliburton." / "We're overrelying on large umbrella contracts.... Halliburton has a monopoly on the work in oil, and Bechtel has a monopoly on the reconstruction work"
I know Republican supporters won't like the source of the worrying list in the link below - too bad - smoke, fire, etc. http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/dpc-...?doc_name=inv2

Washington Post (November 2005): “Our Defense Department has continued to pay, through pliant contractors, for a flock of Iraqi political exiles as our paid political agents in Iraq. .... A private translation company also known as Operational Support Services, was awarded two contracts worth more than $45 million. .... The Air Force, under pressure from the Pentagon, committed a "gross error" last year when it rushed to sign a no-bid contract for advisers to help plan and implement Iraq's national elections and draft its constitution. Two competing firms filed protests, arguing that they should have been able to bid for the work.” = one company selected; no competing bids requested; $45 million dollar bill.

CNN (January 2005): "Nearly $9 billion of money spent on Iraqi reconstruction is unaccounted for because of inefficiencies and bad management .... at one ministry that although 8,206 guards were on the payroll, only 602 guards could be validated."

London Book Review: OUCH!! http://www.lrb.co.uk/v27/n13/harr04_.html The ‘financial irregularities’ described in audit reports carried out by agencies of the American government and auditors working for the international community collectively give a detailed insight into the mentality of the American occupation authorities and the way they operated, handing out truckloads of dollars for which neither they nor the recipients felt any need to be accountable. ...... In the first nine months of the occupation, Kellogg, Brown and Root (a Halliburton subsidiary) was allowed a free hand in Iraq: a free hand, for example, to bill the Pentagon without worrying about spending limits or management oversight or paperwork. Millions of dollars’ worth of new equipment disappeared. KBR charged $73 million for motor caravans to house the 101st Airborne Division, twice as much as the army said it would cost to build barracks itself."

So tell me again, we are more likely to be better off by reducing benefits to 'underpriveledged persons' than by cutting profits to Halliburton, Bechtal and other multi-billion dollar companies?

Hmmmmm ....
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US borrowings: What can stop the debt rocket?
Howsabout the complete collapse of our monetary system? My alternative solution is to grab up all the materials for the wall we're not building on the Mexican border, build a 300' high wall around the DC beltway, fill it with water from the Potomac, and stock it with fish.
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First lets get rid of Social Security for anyone under the age of 45.
Oh, great! Did you have any thought of refunding the Social Security contributions (peferably with interest) for all those in the under 45 crowd? Or were you just planning on confiscating that for the benefit of a bunch of selfish old geezers?
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What's with all the question? Yes I used your exact insult on you, and yes you're an idiot.
lol...grow up, kid
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lol...grow up, kid
So let me get this straight, you insult me blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah at this point you'd think that I copy and pasted the word blah but I didn't. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah what in the hell is that icon where the two heads are smashing together supposed to mean? blah blah blah blah and you insult me again and call me a kid. I'm offended. Such a direct insult to my pride. You should be banned, you menis.
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Interesting that nobody has brought up the fact that the last 3 "Fiscal Conservative" Republican Presidents were the ones who ran up the debt far worse than any other President in history...
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