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View Poll Results: What is the core of Neocon ideology?
It is a Right Wing Jewish ideology 5 9.43%
It is a Right Wing Christian ideology 3 5.66%
It is an American Fascist ideology 22 41.51%
It is an American Nationalist ideology 12 22.64%
It is combination of Christian and Fascist 6 11.32%
It is combination of Christian and Nationalist 2 3.77%
It is combination of Jewish and Fascist 1 1.89%
It is combination of Jewish and Nationalist 2 3.77%
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Old 07-23-2008, 08:25 AM
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I noticed Malkin was hot. I'm gay, not blind.

Can anyone else name people in the government or media that they view as being neocons?
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Huh?

You used one of my choices almost verbatim in your own post you quoted! heh heh
So why did you not choose "It is an American Nationalist ideology"?

Because that is how neocons are perceived by most parties. The user I was referring to saw it as a Jewish movement. Most Americans (IMO) view it as a right wing Christian movement.

But two of my options had nothing to do with religion at all.

I have no idea what Wilsonianism is. Can you summarize it?
You're Right- I could have Chosen 'American Nationalist movement' as Closest.... and Did but with Explanation, but not with vote. I will vote now for that choice.

But wanted say that that you having 6 of 8 choices as religion/religous I thought missed/shows a misunderstanding of the issue.
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I noticed Malkin was hot. I'm gay, not blind.

Can anyone else name people in the government or media that they view as being neocons?
I think the obvious ones are the unabashed pundits, like William Kristol. Malkin fits the description.
It's harder to pin politicians as we can't always assume that neo-con actions result from neo-con ideology. Much of GWB's original cabinet fits the description to some extent though. Condi Rice was certainly one when she was younger, but seems to be becoming more and more a realist as time goes by.
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I was not attempting to find out the details...only what your broad view of the ideology is.

This post originated from another thread where a foreign user attempted to claim that Neoconservatism is some kind of Israeli nationalistic ideology or something. He didnt like the wikipedia definition and refused to accept the dictionary definition.

I was curious to see if he was an isolated minority or if his views were more common than I thought. In my experience, most people view neocons as Right Wing American Christian Nationalists. Thats how they seem to be seen in our media anyway.

My personal opinion is that Neocons ideology is American Nationalism. While most neocons are Christians and heavy on Family Values, it is not part of the core of the ideology.
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I was not attempting to find out the details...only what your broad view of the ideology is.

This post originated from another thread where a foreign user attempted to claim that Neoconservatism is some kind of Israeli nationalistic ideology or something. He didnt like the wikipedia definition and refused to accept the dictionary definition.

I was curious to see if he was an isolated minority or if his views were more common than I thought. In my experience, most people view neocons as Right Wing American Christian Nationalists. Thats how they seem to be seen in our media anyway.

My personal opinion is that Neocons ideology is American Nationalism. While most neocons are Christians and heavy on Family Values, it is not part of the core of the ideology.
Sadistic-Savior, I lament to find you a bit naive here. I feel that you should have known that everything that is wrong and evil has its roots somewhere in Judaism. Didn't you get the memo?
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I noticed Malkin was hot. I'm gay, not blind.

Can anyone else name people in the government or media that they view as being neocons?
I'd say folks like Hannity and Limbaugh are definitely neocons. However, that should be taken with a grain of salt, since they're both in the entertainment business.

As far as the government, it's hard to say. On the surface, our entire government seems to be made up of "neocons" and "neo-socialists," but that's just a sign of how badly government is fractured. Pull them away from that theatre, and I'd think their tune would change.
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I was not attempting to find out the details...only what your broad view of the ideology is.

This post originated from another thread where a foreign user attempted to claim that Neoconservatism is some kind of Israeli nationalistic ideology or something. He didnt like the wikipedia definition and refused to accept the dictionary definition.

I was curious to see if he was an isolated minority or if his views were more common than I thought. In my experience, most people view neocons as Right Wing American Christian Nationalists. Thats how they seem to be seen in our media anyway.

My personal opinion is that Neocons ideology is American Nationalism. While most neocons are Christians and heavy on Family Values, it is not part of the core of the ideology.
It would be interesting to post this on Another message board. Perhaps a more liberal or International one, where 'Jewish' (something) would probably be the #1 Choice.

In fact, everything BUT the #1 choice here.

Bringing up another Another interesting possible poll here.. the leanings of THIS board.
Which my guess is 60% GOP or Libertarian, (Broadly 'Right/conservative', Liberal/Giuliani 'Republican') vs 30% Liberal/Left and/or Foreign national anti-USA policy..... and maybe 10% in between.
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Sadistic-Savior, I lament to find you a bit naive here. I feel that you should have known that everything that is wrong and evil has its roots somewhere in Judaism. Didn't you get the memo?
Now, cummon man -- get with the program here! You are obviously referring to an old, out of date memo which was superceeded a few decades back by the new memo. Not everthing wrong and evil in the world has it's roots in Judaism any more. It's ZIONISM (winky winky) that is now the true root of all evil.

get it right next time! Jews aren't hated for being Jews any more. They are only hated for wanting self determination.
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A Neocon...I think...is a fluorescent sign with a picture of Gawd (or Charlton Heston), apple pie, Nascar, the Pope, and anything Bush...except for Paris Hilton's...
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Now, cummon man -- get with the program here! You are obviously referring to an old, out of date memo which was superceeded a few decades back by the new memo. Not everthing wrong and evil in the world has it's roots in Judaism any more. It's ZIONISM (winky winky) that is now the true root of all evil.

get it right next time! Jews aren't hated for being Jews any more. They are only hated for wanting self determination.
Ah! Silly me! How could I say such bad things about Judaism. I did mean to say "Zionism." What was I thinking?
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