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View Poll Results: What is the core of Neocon ideology?
It is a Right Wing Jewish ideology 5 9.43%
It is a Right Wing Christian ideology 3 5.66%
It is an American Fascist ideology 22 41.51%
It is an American Nationalist ideology 12 22.64%
It is combination of Christian and Fascist 6 11.32%
It is combination of Christian and Nationalist 2 3.77%
It is combination of Jewish and Fascist 1 1.89%
It is combination of Jewish and Nationalist 2 3.77%
Voters: 53. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-24-2008, 03:23 PM
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I finally went with American Fascist. It sounded the most fitting.
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If it was an opinion you should have stated that it was an opinion.
I didn't state it because I thought it was obvious. I'm not in the habit of ending every sentence with "in my opinion". But I hope I have clarified it for you now.



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Since you didn't, you can either concede that Rush Limbaugh isn't a neocon, or provide evidence to back up your claim.
Or else...what?



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Me: Then we agree there is no objective proof either way. So I am not sure what you are expecting as evidence.

There may or may not be.
You just said there wasn't. Did you find some in the last five minutes?
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Funny when i look at the poll results.
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I didn't state it because I thought it was obvious. I'm not in the habit of ending every sentence with "in my opinion". But I hope I have clarified it for you now.
You can't say something like electricity was invented in Thailand and have nothing to substantiate your claim with. Since you made a similar statement of fact, now you must back it up.

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Or else...what?

Your argument has been debunked.

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You just said there wasn't. Did you find some in the last five minutes?
Whether there is or isn't, you've implied that there is by making such a statement of fact. Since you made that statement of fact, back it up with evidence.
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You can't say something like electricity was invented in Thailand
You can if it is opinion. In that example, the vast majority of people would disagree with you.



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Your argument has been debunked.
If you believe it has been debunked, what are you worried about? Wont it be obvious to everyone else?
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You can if it is opinion. In that example, the vast majority of people would disagree with you.

You can of course say it, but it would be a lie unless supported by evidence. What you're suggesting here is that since what you said isn't supported by evidence, then therefore it must be a lie.

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If you believe it has been debunked, what are you worried about? Wont it be obvious to everyone else?
Well then it should be noted for the record that you made 2 bold statements here, both of which were lies and will remain lies until you can back them up with evidence.
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You can of course say it, but it would be a lie unless supported by evidence.
I can only lie if I am giving information I believe to be false. Since I dont believe my information is false, I am not lying.

Apparently "Neoconservative" is not the only word in english you are unfamilar with.



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Well then it should be noted for the record that you made 2 bold statements here, both of which were lies and will remain lies until you can back them up with evidence.
So what is the point of responding to me if you really believe that?
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I can only lie if I am giving information I believe to be false. Since I dont believe my information is false, I am not lying.
Well one component of a lie is intent and one can make a reasonable assumption of intent based on the falsehood that it's a lie. For a number of reasons, I'm not willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

But you will concede that at best it's a falsehood and at worst a lie. And that's what you've engaged in in this thread.


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So what is the point of responding to me if you really believe that?
I'm simply stating it for the record so that everyone is clear on your credibility, or lack thereof.
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Well one component of a lie is intent
Explain to me how you can unintentionally lie.

If there is no intent, then there is no lie. You are merely mistaken. Being mistaken is not the same thing as lying. Being wrong is not the same thing as lying. Lying requires deliberate deception.


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But you will concede that at best it's a falsehood and at worst a lie.
It is neither, so why would I concede that? I dont believe it is a falsehood, and the poll results seem to indicate I am not alone.



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I'm simply stating it for the record so that everyone is clear on your credibility, or lack thereof.
So you dont think it was obvious enough so far? heh heh
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I picked American fascist. Like Hitler, neo-cons have a Sadistic torture fetish, and they believe that some fuhror-like Savior should lead us to a new era of global domination through warfare.
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