Being An Organ Donor - Page 5

CamJohn · #41 (**permalink**) 07-26-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

The system IS made to save lives, that is what organ donation is all about. Why should you care about how much money is made off you just as long as your organs can be used to save the life of someone else?

Would you refuse to donate your organs simply because you didn't want someone to get rich off you after you died?

Well, back at you. Why should you care at all who gets your organs, when you die?
And yes, I will refuse to donate my organs if I know some doctor will get rich off them. I certainly will.
And you act like organ donation was made to save lives. If there was NO profit to be made by harvesting organs, do you really believe organ donation would exist? Do you really believe hospitals and doctors would perform these surgeries for free? Oh for the good of the people, we doctors just want to save lives, that's our goal in life. We love all living breathing things. Oh yea, only if we fill our pockets first. You can't provide money, we can't save your life.
Organ Donation is about making money, if no profit existed for organ donation, it just wouldn't happen.

CamJohn · #42 (**permalink**) 07-26-2008, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SpankyTheWhale

I respect your opinion, but the very fact that organ donor status is a completely free choice on the part of the individual who receives it neutralizes all the anger, outrage, and self-righteousness that your post contains.

(By the way, I am an organ donor.)

Exactly. So don't tell me I'm selfish, or brainless, because I refuse to donate my organs. It's a free choice, and I refuse them. Just like you agree to donate them, and fill that doctors pockets full, while all the time, he wouldn't have ever helped you when you were alive, if you came to him empty handed.

katiegrrl0 · #43 (**permalink**) 07-26-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by get over it

You that don't have the brains or compassion to donate may find yourself in serious need one day, and let's see what your opinion is then if there isn't something compatable for you.

Only 5% of Americans donate, and the same 5% of us know how to properly perform CPR. WTF?

I'm donating my body to the University of Hawaii. They'll benefit from research and give a caring service as they spread the ashes off Waikiki, where I'll rest with many of my friends and heros.

KatieGrrl, we should all be so lucky to get a piece of you! Aloha

See that i do have value everyone wants a piece of me.

SpankyTheWhale · #44 (**permalink**) 07-26-2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CamJohn

Exactly. So don't tell me I'm selfish, or brainless, because I refuse to donate my organs. It's a free choice, and I refuse them. Just like you agree to donate them, and fill that doctors pockets full, while all the time, he wouldn't have ever helped you when you were alive, if you came to him empty handed.

When did I tell you you are selfish or brainless? Have I become the spokesperson for the Organ Donors Association of America?

Makedde · #45 (**permalink**) 07-26-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CamJohn

Well, back at you. Why should you care at all who gets your organs, when you die?
And yes, I will refuse to donate my organs if I know some doctor will get rich off them. I certainly will.
And you act like organ donation was made to save lives. If there was NO profit to be made by harvesting organs, do you really believe organ donation would exist? Do you really believe hospitals and doctors would perform these surgeries for free? Oh for the good of the people, we doctors just want to save lives, that's our goal in life. We love all living breathing things. Oh yea, only if we fill our pockets first. You can't provide money, we can't save your life.
Organ Donation is about making money, if no profit existed for organ donation, it just wouldn't happen.

So someone becoming rich is a good reason not to donate? Saving the life of someone is not a good enough reason for you?

No offence, but your reasons for not donating are selfish. All you are thinking about is profit, not the fact that you could actually save someones life, and that alone is a hell of a lot more important than money.

Makedde · #46 (**permalink**) 07-26-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Charleston Patriot

I haven't read the bulk of this thred, but I'm not a doner. From what i've heard, if your a doner there's a chance you (or your parts) may end up in a classroom. I don't want some collage kid sticking a cigar in my skeleton that's hanging in a classroom corner at BFE univarsity, or be a training cadaver somewhere.

I think you have to give permission for this to happen...I don't want that happening to me eithor. My cousin does, she's stipulated that she wants her body donated to 'science' so she'll be getting carved up by Grad students, whereas I shall be harvested, and harvested some more, then the remains shall be packed in a cardboard box and thrown on the pyre and everyone shall dance around as I burn.

It's gonna be great.

<Kt> · #47 (**permalink**) 07-30-2008, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by raytri

Agreed. We should incentivize organ donation in some manner. It's simply wasteful that so many people are dying or spending years on transplant waiting lists, while millions of healthy organs get cremated or embalmed every year. If you have a religious or moral problem with it, fine -- but most people don't become donors for the same reasons most don't make wills -- apathy and an unwillingness to think about their own mortality.

I'd consider an "opt out" system rather than the current "opt in". When you get your driver's license, the default would be that you become an organ donor. This will be strongly highlighted on the application and in person, and you will always have the option to decline or (later) stop being listed as a donor. That way apathy works in favor of society, not against it. But the opt-out feature would have to be clearly and loudly pointed out, and people should be able to exercise that option in private.

For the rest:

1. Organs don't "spoil" in a living body unless there are other health issues -- and those issues generally mean your organs aren't suitable for transplant anyway. You don't need to worry about hospitals offing you to keep your organs fresh.

2. The "insure organ donors" argument just fails. In a national health care system you're already insured, and in a private health care system it's not the government's business either way.

I'm an organ donor.

Opt-out works too, with some precautions in mind.
Firstly, not everyone will have ID or Driver's License, will they be forced to donate if ID explicitly saying they are not donors is not found? Or will the absense of such ID saying that they ARE donors mean they automatically do not donate?
I also think that some sort of incentive with the waiting list is a good idea, I am not an organ donor, I have nothing but contempt and a feeling of malaise towards society, and I do not like the idea of my death, and my organs, making another human being happy and alive, but if being on the donor list means that if I need organs some day I will be picked above all the non-donors then there is an actual incentive and I would become an organ donor.

It would also be helpful if people could specify what they are willing to donate, religions are a funny thing, and while donating my internal organs is not an issue to me, I do not want my brain or spinal column being toyed with, as it stands I can only be "donor" or "non-donor" which sucks a little.

raytri · #48 (**permalink**) 07-30-2008, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by <Kt>

Opt-out works too, with some precautions in mind.
Firstly, not everyone will have ID or Driver's License, will they be forced to donate if ID explicitly saying they are not donors is not found? Or will the absense of such ID saying that they ARE donors mean they automatically do not donate?

I'd say the latter. Opt-out is about making apathy work in society's favor, not about forcing people to do something they don't want to do. If there's no documentation either way, you assume they're not a donor.

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I also think that some sort of incentive with the waiting list is a good idea, I am not an organ donor, I have nothing but contempt and a feeling of malaise towards society, and I do not like the idea of my death, and my organs, making another human being happy and alive, but if being on the donor list means that if I need organs some day I will be picked above all the non-donors then there is an actual incentive and I would become an organ donor.

No offense, but I'm glad I'm not you. It's one thing to not be enamored of society and to generally dislike people. It's another to actively not want to save another human life because of it.

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It would also be helpful if people could specify what they are willing to donate, religions are a funny thing, and while donating my internal organs is not an issue to me, I do not want my brain or spinal column being toyed with, as it stands I can only be "donor" or "non-donor" which sucks a little.

Here in Minnesota the state doesn't administer the program; it's run by a private group called LifeSource.
https://www.lifesourcedonorregistry.org/index.html

I can specify what I want to donate within broad categories (organs, tissue, eyes), and I'm sure that if I called them they could get my exact wishes noted (these organs, not these organs).

Donating your body to science is a separate thing. You don't risk that by signing up to be an organ donor.

raytri · #49 (**permalink**) 07-30-2008, 08:27 AM

For instance, here's what you agree to donate when you sign up in Minnesota. I assume the list is nearly identical everywhere.

Organs: Heart, lungs, kidneys, pancreas, liver and intestines.
Tissue: Corneas, skin, veins, tendons, bone, bone marrow, heart valves and connective tissue.

No brain or nerve tissue.

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