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Old 07-26-2008, 12:46 PM
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So, is killing terrorists your criteria for an effective leader. I'd rather have a person that took care of matter at home first. Let McCain go kill them himself and leave the country to decent people that put society ahead of personal goals.
I agree with you that domestic issues should be our first priority.

That's why I will do anything to stop Obama from getting elected. Populist economics FAIL.
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Obama wants a huge health care program

Obama wants to put more troops in afghanistan and pull out of Iraq in 16 months.

McCain thinks that 16 months is roughly a good time period, but doesn't want to set words in stone if something happens.

I wouldn't be surprised if McCain escalated things with Iran.

They both seem like such terrible candidates. They don't go toward the middle to get independents, (independents are way on the outside usually) they just don't want you to have as many options.

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Obama does want a big health care program. That's a much better use of my tax dollars than waging war in a country so our President can show his daddy how big and tough he is...

And Republicans lowering taxes and failing to shrink government means they are just wasting your taxes on interest on the debt.

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My reasons for opposing McCain are legion but I can sum it up in one sentence: If we elect McCain we might as well give theshrub another term and THAT aint happening.
You must be VERY uninformed on McCain's record!!!!
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I'd rather have a person that took care of matter at home first. Let McCain go kill them himself and leave the country to decent people that put society ahead of personal goals.
Obama the Appeaser will open the door for more large-scale terrorist attacks in the United States. If an Iranian-built nuke went off over...say...San Francisco, would the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians be worth "putting society first?" If you say "yes," would you be able to explain it to the faces of the family members of those hundreds of thousands of innocent civilian dead?
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Obama the Appeaser will open the door for more large-scale terrorist attacks in the United States. If an Iranian-built nuke went off over...say...San Francisco, would the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians be worth "putting society first?" If you say "yes," would you be able to explain it to the faces of the family members of those hundreds of thousands of innocent civilian dead?
No matter who's in charge we will always be open to terrorist attacks. The worst attack we've ever suffered was under Bush, and I don't recall anyone calling him an appeaser. The simple fact is that we will always be vulnerable, and the more we attack them and interfere in their lives the more provocation they will have to bring the battle to us. Right now we are the terrorists, we are killing hundreds of thousands of their innocent civilians without reason. Bush and McCain's policies are inviting them to kill us. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.
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I can't stand either one. Obama wants to help others with my money. McCain is identical with the exception of his neo-con ways. If forced to make a choice I would support McCain because I feel he will kill more terrorists.

But since I have a choice, I will vote for Bob Barr. My vote really doesn't count because I live in Illinois.
The statement of yours that I bolded, that should send alarm bells throughout america because this is the case for too many people.

Everyones vote SHOULD count an equal value. Valid voters being denied their right to vote, invalidating the power of peoples vote etc is simply taking away your right to vote.

The real tragedy is that we are USED to not counting and we have come to ACCEPT it.
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The statement of yours that I bolded, that should send alarm bells throughout america because this is the case for too many people.

Everyones vote SHOULD count an equal value. Valid voters being denied their right to vote, invalidating the power of peoples vote etc is simply taking away your right to vote.

The real tragedy is that we are USED to not counting and we have come to ACCEPT it.
I know what the OP was saying, however it should be thought of like this instead:

This time around, my vote wont end up electing a 3rd party candidate, but if I continue to vote 3rd party or for the person I really support, we will gradually see the % of votes that those candidates get go up. The 2008 election is a forum for making your voice heard, and when you and millions of others do so, and if you continue to do so at the local level and in other future elections, those percentages will continue to go up and the other 2 parties will be forced to give more attention to the ideas and concerns of 3rd party voters. There is no short term "win" it is a long gradual uphill battle.
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No matter who's in charge we will always be open to terrorist attacks. The worst attack we've ever suffered was under Bush, .
But none since then.
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Obama the Appeaser will open the door for more large-scale terrorist attacks in the United States. If an Iranian-built nuke went off over...say...San Francisco, would the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians be worth "putting society first?" If you say "yes," would you be able to explain it to the faces of the family members of those hundreds of thousands of innocent civilian dead?
If Iran decided to nuke anyone, it would be Israel, not the US. Also, there is no way that they could nuke San Francisco externally - it would need to be an inside job. If it's an inside job, it really doesn't matter whose president - we will be equally susceptible. Also, even though Iran might have one insane figure head of a leader, the real people in charge - the religious leaders - are not interested at all in committing suicide. They don't mind if other people commit suicide, but they don't want to die themselves. Iran would support a terrorist organization before they would be bombing the US themselves.
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