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Old 07-24-2008, 03:16 AM
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Hi to my fellow voters, i just needed to say that i'm an african-american voter and i'm supporting senator mccain. Between the two candidates, senator mccain i feel is the best one between the two because take a step back and listen to everything obama has said or done or better yet, hasn't done. Senator obama is telling all of our citizens that he's going to do this and that, well he's going to need a whole lot of money to pay for the programs he's talking about. Now where do really think he's going to get that money from? It's going to be us, he's going raise our taxes. I don't care what he says, he's going to do it. Bill clinton said the exact same thing before he was elected that he was not going to raise our taxes and did it anyway. It is also my observation that michelle obama really does'nt want to be the first lady, she's only doing it to support her husband. And if we really want to continue to be safest in our country, obama does'nt have any experience at all, and what do you think russia will do if obama is elected? All these dangerous situations around the globe are going to get worse before they get better and we had better be ready for them. I'll tell you, any man that sacrifices his well being for this country and our freedom as senator mccain has, is got to be the man for the job. And let's not focus so much on mccain's age, i would rather have an older, wiser, with life experience, who knows military and foriegn policy any day as opposed to someone thats only been in the senate for 2 years, no military, and no foriegn policy experience non-whatsoever. Can we really afford right now to gamble on a man that has no experience at all? That job of a president is not going be no cake walk for abama at all, its going to be way way to much pressure and stress for him and he does'nt realize it.......note it down of my thoughts on obama and if he's elected, you will surely see for yourselves!
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Obama is certainly not my first choice, but I really don't understand how anyone can support McCain in a time like this unless they are among the top income earners in America. They are the only ones that would benefit from his election. The only thing I can think of us that the majority of his supporters are not rich, but wish they were. They see the people that are among the wealthiest, and think why not me. The problem is that the wealthy want you to think that they have your interests in mind when they urge you to support McCain, but I can't see them relinquishing any of what they have to help you reach the same level they are on. They will fight to keep what they have, and they have far greater resources at their disposal to help maintain their wealth. What we need is someone that can use what they have against them to bring them down a notch. Not everyone can be wealthy, but there can be a bit more equality and less discrepancy between the classes.
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Obama is certainly not my first choice, but I really don't understand how anyone can support McCain in a time like this unless they are among the top income earners in America. They are the only ones that would benefit from his election. The only thing I can think of us that the majority of his supporters are not rich, but wish they were. They see the people that are among the wealthiest, and think why not me. The problem is that the wealthy want you to think that they have your interests in mind when they urge you to support McCain, but I can't see them relinquishing any of what they have to help you reach the same level they are on. They will fight to keep what they have, and they have far greater resources at their disposal to help maintain their wealth. What we need is someone that can use what they have against them to bring them down a notch. Not everyone can be wealthy, but there can be a bit more equality and less discrepancy between the classes.
Obama is wealthy , so I do not understand your support for him?
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Obama is wealthy , so I do not understand your support for him?
He might be wealthy, but not as wealthy as McCain. Also he seems to want to help those less fortunate than him unlike McCain. He just seems to want to suck up to those that are even wealthier than he is. Besides, like I said he's not my first choice. I'm only supporting him because my ideal candidate dropped out and he is the lesser if the two evils we have left.
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Hi to my fellow voters, i just needed to say that i'm an african-american voter and i'm supporting senator mccain.
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THE CRIMES AND COVER-UPS OF JOHN McCAIN Part 1


April 25, 2008

Who’s responsible for the “intelligence failure” that plunged the U.S. into the Iraq War? As much as anyone else, that distinction is shared by two Americans who discovered and nurtured Ahmad Chalabi and “Curveball”, and pushed their fortunes in Washington.

One of those men is currently the presumptive Republican candidate for President of the United States, and the other is his chief political fixer.

This is the story about how they did it, and then shifted the spotlight of intelligence failure, political scandal, and criminal conspiracy off themselves.

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Here are some key events to keep in mind as the Iraq War deception unfolds:

• 1998-2003 - John McCain enthusiastically espoused the delusion about cheap and easy Middle East wars, and sponsored Ahmed Chalabi’s Iraqi National Congress (INC) organization, even though the CIA had cut it off for producing faulty intelligence.

• 1998 - McCain was a co-sponsor of the Iraq Liberation Act that led to the creation of a false intelligence factory that replaced CIA Iraq reporting. He led charges in the Senate about Iraqi WMD programs that U.S. intelligence was reporting didn’t exist.

• 2001-2003 - Using $100 million allocated by the Act cosponsored by McCain, Ahmed Chalabi’s INC generated the false intelligence about nonexistent mobile bioweapons labs cited as part of the case for the Iraq invasion. INC Chalabi’s group was paid $335,000 a month in the lead-up to the Iraq war to gather intelligence.

• 2003 - McCain and four other Republican Senators made an appeal to Bush to “personally clear the bureaucratic roadblocks within the State Department” that stood in the way of even more funding for the INC McCain acted as a character witness for Chalabi, stating “He’s a patriot who has the best interests of his country at heart.”

• Prior to advocating in favor of the October, 2002 Iraq War Resolution, McCain read the classified CIA National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), and was briefed on multiple occasions about it. While he knew that U.S. intelligence was split over Iraq WMDs, McCain never said anything publicly about the other view contained in the classified documents in which he had been given special access.

• 05/03 – present - Even after the Iraq WMD deception and failed occupation became clear, McCain has refused to acknowledge that he had been wrong all along about the justifications for the Iraq War, and says he would vote again for that war, and again vote to fund Chalabi.

• Senator McCain still avoids taking responsibility for his role in the Iraq intelligence failure, perhaps for no better reason than he kept some distance between himself and operatives at the Pentagon and in the Office of the Vice President who actually carried out the policy, some of whom were later convicted of espionage and related charges.

• 1997-present - The McCain campaign’s chief publicist, Charlie Black, a powerful GOP lobbyist, has protected and promoted the cause of Ahmad Chalabi’s INC organization in Washington since 1997, and also played a major role in spreading INC disinformation.

• 1997-present – As the Iraq War plan developed, Black’s lobbying firm has received hundreds of millions from U.S. companies doing Iraq War related business, a substantial portion of the profits from which Black has funneled back to McCain and other prominent GOP leaders

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He might be wealthy, but not as wealthy as McCain. Also he seems to want to help those less fortunate than him unlike McCain. He just seems to want to suck up to those that are even wealthier than he is. Besides, like I said he's not my first choice. I'm only supporting him because my ideal candidate dropped out and he is the lesser if the two evils we have left.
I can't stand either one. Obama wants to help others with my money. McCain is identical with the exception of his neo-con ways. If forced to make a choice I would support McCain because I feel he will kill more terrorists.

But since I have a choice, I will vote for Bob Barr. My vote really doesn't count because I live in Illinois.
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He might be wealthy, but not as wealthy as McCain. Also he seems to want to help those less fortunate than him unlike McCain. He just seems to want to suck up to those that are even wealthier than he is. Besides, like I said he's not my first choice. I'm only supporting him because my ideal candidate dropped out and he is the lesser if the two evils we have left.
lol So support him but remember he is exactly what you are saying your against, unless you have changed your mind in the last hour?
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If forced to make a choice I would support McCain because I feel he will kill more terrorists.
So, is killing terrorists your criteria for an effective leader. I'd rather have a person that took care of matter at home first. Let McCain go kill them himself and leave the country to decent people that put society ahead of personal goals.
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Hi to my fellow voters, i just needed to say that i'm an african-american voter and i'm supporting senator mccain. Between the two candidates, senator mccain i feel is the best one between the two because take a step back and listen to everything obama has said or done or better yet, hasn't done. Senator obama is telling all of our citizens that he's going to do this and that, well he's going to need a whole lot of money to pay for the programs he's talking about. Now where do really think he's going to get that money from? It's going to be us, he's going raise our taxes. I don't care what he says, he's going to do it. Bill clinton said the exact same thing before he was elected that he was not going to raise our taxes and did it anyway. It is also my observation that michelle obama really does'nt want to be the first lady, she's only doing it to support her husband. And if we really want to continue to be safest in our country, obama does'nt have any experience at all, and what do you think russia will do if obama is elected? All these dangerous situations around the globe are going to get worse before they get better and we had better be ready for them. I'll tell you, any man that sacrifices his well being for this country and our freedom as senator mccain has, is got to be the man for the job. And let's not focus so much on mccain's age, i would rather have an older, wiser, with life experience, who knows military and foriegn policy any day as opposed to someone thats only been in the senate for 2 years, no military, and no foriegn policy experience non-whatsoever. Can we really afford right now to gamble on a man that has no experience at all? That job of a president is not going be no cake walk for abama at all, its going to be way way to much pressure and stress for him and he does'nt realize it.......note it down of my thoughts on obama and if he's elected, you will surely see for yourselves!
My reasons for opposing McCain are legion but I can sum it up in one sentence: If we elect McCain we might as well give theshrub another term and THAT aint happening.
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he is the lesser if the two evils we have left.
The lesser of two evils is still evil. I won't be voting for either McCain or Obama.

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