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Old 07-25-2008, 08:39 AM
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Now seriously, I question what you consider to be the cause and effect here.

For instance, economic equality can have a role in the divorce rate. At one point women would stay married because she was dependent upon men to work. Few opportunites existed for women.

The fact that our life expectancy is longer can have a role in the divorce rate. This means people will spend more time trying to stay compatable in going through the longer stages of life.

Teenage pregnancies have been decreasing. This has been credited to the better availability and education about contraceptives.

I do have a question about abortion. What is the history of abortions prior to the 1950's (including prior to the 20th century). I understand that legal abortions were considered to be an improvement over illegal abortions which were dangerous. Childbirth in general has been a tricky circumstance. Was there any point in which childbirth was one of the leading causes of death for women? I'm just curious here. I like to know more about the history here. Especially when we start making comparisons to different times of history.

I feel this way about the sexual revolution. Wasn't there a time in history where people were more open about sex? Maybe in different societies. The 50's were considered to be extremely repressive. Does everything past then just seem like a "revolution"?
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Old 07-25-2008, 09:00 AM
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I feel this way about the sexual revolution. Wasn't there a time in history where people were more open about sex? Maybe in different societies. The 50's were considered to be extremely repressive. Does everything past then just seem like a "revolution"?
The US was always fairly puritan about sex issues. Some claim that this directly contributes to the extent of depravity we see. The taboo nature of nudity causes nudity to be sexualized in practically every context.
And it's been shown that a majority of the brutal rapists and pedophiles we find are not porn-addicts or promiscuous- but people who very much suppress sex. That's why there is usually so much hate and violence in the act of rape. They pick up an extreme misogyny that is related to their feelings about sex.

But I would tend to think that much of what we're seeing is just increased availability and openness. Kids have stolen porn-mags since long before today. Boys attempted to sneak peaks at women changing or bathing since long before today.
Abortions have existed for centuries. Historically (way before America) it was actually seen as the man's right to abort "his" child. In early modern day, they were usually linked to adultery or premarital affair and covered up, legal or not.
The only thing new is the notion that abortion is a woman's right over her own body. Hell, the very concept of anyone owning his/her body is relatively new to the human species. Women took longer to gain any rights over their own bodies.
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In some countries women are still property. I can't imagine what it is like to treated like that.
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In some countries women are still property. I can't imagine what it is like to treated like that.
It must be horrible.
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It must be horrible.
They would have to tie me up to keep me quiet. I wouldn't last 5 minutes in Taliban country.
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But I would tend to think that much of what we're seeing is just increased availability and openness.
You can't watch a show, music video, or many commercials without sexual inuendo

Abortions have existed for centuries.

I think if you look throughout history you won't find millions that have been aborted on a yearly basis, known as called infantcide, general disreagrd for life of children
The only thing new is the notion that abortion is a woman's right over her own body. Hell, the very concept of anyone owning his/her body is relatively new to the human species
The history of sex has shown that humans have enjoyed every aspect of the human body
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My primary concern about the sexual liberation movement is the selling of sexuality without consequences. AS your thread stated std's on the increase, teenage pregnacies, not even to mention the deadly disease of aids.Add to that statement child porn, child rapes and incest really concerns me regarding the future of our society.Children at too young an age is bombarded with accepting sexual freedoms they have no concern for.
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Add to that statement child porn, child rapes and incest really concerns me regarding the future of our society..
That has nothing to do with the liberation of sexual attitudes. Even promiscuous people with bizarre fetishes think these things are immoral and harmful for the most part.
Child porn, rape, an incest are against the law and occur in an underground economy. I'd rather see authorities focus on truly harmful and reprehensible actions like these and release their grip on consentual adult sex.

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Children at too young an age is bombarded with accepting sexual freedoms they have no concern for.
As though adolescents did not sneak away for sex in the '50s...
If kids were taught better about sexual issues, they'd see the wisdom in holding off or at least using protection.
It's been found that for smoking, the most effective methods for reducing kids' smoking are ads focused on the real dangers... not hyped up dangers and not anti-peer pressure ads.
Kids will end up with peer pressure and may end up succumbing to it. Obviously parents can play a part in reducing this through the way they raise kids... but to the extent that they can't the next best thing is realistic education on options and consequences... Just hiding it from kids does not work.
Would you prefer to be the one to teach your kids... or at least have teachers teach it... or would you prefer they learn it from peers and the media? It's the same with drugs and all other harmful behaviors.
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Children at too young an age is bombarded with accepting sexual freedoms they have no concern for.
As though adolescents did not sneak away for sex in the '50s...


Sex education at what age? From whom? Shouldn't that be a parents right and not for the state to dictate? Also what about the use of sex to sell a society of the benefits of sex without consequences?
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I can't agree on this one. Its pretty obvious that women and men don't think alike, communicate alike or have all of the same needs. The point feminists were trying to make is that women are as capable as men in the workplace.

I totally disagree with you on that one. The feminist’s movement was all about women being the same as men. Both in the work world and social world. This has led to tremendous conflicts among women.

Women are far superior at some jobs and men are superior at others. Yet can a feminist admit this?

A man's brain can only do one task at a time. Men evolved to fight, kill dinner and fight for the right to reproduce. In the work world point a man to a task and tell him to "kill it" he will work until that one task is complete no matter how long or difficult it is. He will completely focus on that one task only.

A woman's brain evolved to be in a group of women, have kids running around and be able to gather up food while paying attention to all of the above and keeping a watch out for danger, both the four and two legged kind.

In the work world a woman is skilled at all multi tasking jobs and is invaluable at pointing the man in the direction that he need to go into, she keep the man moving from crisis to crisis. A well run company has the women in charge of pointing the men at the tasks they need to and keeping the men organized and on track.

Men do the aggressive one single task at a time work very well. Finish one task and then off to the next all day long. That’s what makes a good executive. His right hand is always a woman who is really running the show, keeping the man organized and on task.

Women do the none aggressive multi tasking work exceptionally well.

The crossover that both sexes do well is the none agressive intellectual work like research, writing and various scientific work.

This is a very simplistic description but it would take a small book to talk about this in great detail.
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