Are Non-Supporters of Illegal Immigration Racist? - Page 3

0000 · #21 (**permalink**) 07-28-2008, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by hairymarx

Is there a difference??? In the words of John McEnroe, "You cannot be serious". Make yourself a nice cup of coffee, sit down and think about it.

you've done little more than spam this thread with your opinionated propaganda at this point, in your inability to engage in two-way discussion.

you've made nothing more than ignorant assertions and proved yourself incapable (if not fearful) to answer any questions directed towards you in a context of your own polarization.

JavaBlack · #22 (**permalink**) 07-28-2008, 05:59 AM

I think he was attempting a crude version of a real argument.
"Immigration laws are against human rights" is the real argument.

It isn't a problem with the enforcement of immigration laws... It's the fact that such laws exist. Without such laws, though, there are no illegal immigrants.
It's also not racist. It's nationalist. In some ways the policies will disproportionately affect people of different races and epecially social classes... but that is not the intention of the laws so much.

I tend to agree with the reasoning. Immigration laws are a necessary evil, not something that exists because it is good.
People should ideally have free access to any place they wish to go and anywhere they want to work. They should be able to gain citizenship in a fair and quick manner anywhere.
But national security issues do make this impossible.

I'm for lowering the barriers to legal immigration as much as possible. But obviously the laws must be enforced or that has no meaning.

0000 · #23 (**permalink**) 07-29-2008, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JavaBlack

"Immigration laws are against human rights" is the real argument.

yes, that would be more of a valid argument.

heikstheo · #24 (**permalink**) 08-04-2008, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 0000

are non-supporters of illegal immigration racist?

Yup, they are!

Htown-Boliviano · #25 (**permalink**) 08-04-2008, 06:48 PM

No they aren't. Many non-supporters of illegal immigration do it because of economical, governmental, or nationalist fears.

Professor Peabody · #26 (**permalink**) 08-04-2008, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 0000

the differentiation exists in whether or not a person is against legal immigration also. i personally am not against legal immigration. every US citizen, who is not descended from native american indians, originates from immigrant ancestry.

Did the American Indians grow from acorns? Or maybe they fell off a vine somewhere? Perhaps they are descendants of the Bison. Even their ancestors immigrated from someplace else. The likely just walked and canoed across the Bering Strait during the last bad global warming period where the ice caps substantially melted. They migrated north to escape the heat and found their way into North America.

Professor Peabody · #27 (**permalink**) 08-04-2008, 09:29 PM

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1. Identity Theft and Assumption Deterrence Act of 1998
P.L. 105-318
Enacted H.R. 4151, October 30, 1998
112 Sat. 3007, codified at 18 U.S.C § 1028

* The Identity Theft and Assumption Deterrence Act of 1998 was the first piece of federal legislation to deal directly with identity theft. The term “means of identification" is described as a person’s "name, social security number, date of birth, official State or government issued driver's license or identification number, alien registration number, government passport number, employer or taxpayer identification number." (18 U.S.C. § 1028(d)(7)). The U.S. Sentencing Commission is directed to incorporate the crime of ID theft into the United States Sentencing Guidelines Manual (United States Sentencing Commission, Identity Theft: Final Report)

http://www.llrx.com/features/idtheft...37;20governing

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION REFORM AND IMMIGRANT RESPONSIBILITY ACT 1996 (IIRIRA-96)

Section 215. Criminal Penalty for False Claim to Citizenship.

It is unlawful for any person to: (1) make a false claim to U.S. citizenship or nationality for the purpose of obtaining, for him or herself or any other person, any federal benefit or service or employment in the U.S.; and (2) make a false claim to U.S. citizenship to vote or register to vote in any federal, state, or local election.

http://www.takatalaw.com/us/iract96.html

§ 7206. Fraud and false statements [Income Tax W-2 and Returns]

Any person who—

(1) Declaration under penalties of perjury - Willfully makes and subscribes any return, statement, or other document, which contains or is verified by a written declaration that it is made under the penalties of perjury, and which he does not believe to be true and correct as to every material matter;

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/26...6----000-.html

§ 7207. Fraudulent [tax] returns, statements, or other documents

Any person who willfully delivers or discloses to the Secretary any list, return, account, statement, or other document, known by him to be fraudulent or to be false as to any material matter, shall be fined not more than $10,000 ($50,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both. Any person required pursuant to section 6047 (b), section 6104(d), or subsection (i) or (j) of section 527 to furnish any information to the Secretary or any other person who willfully furnishes to the Secretary or such other person any information known by him to be fraudulent or to be false as to any material matter shall be fined not more than $10,000 ($50,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/26...7----000-.html

§ 7205. Fraudulent withholding exemption certificate or failure to supply information

(a) Withholding on wages
Any individual required to supply information to his employer under section 3402 who willfully supplies false or fraudulent information, or who willfully fails to supply information thereunder which would require an increase in the tax to be withheld under section 3402, shall, in addition to any other penalty provided by law, upon conviction thereof, be fined not more than $1,000, or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/26...5----000-.html

Above are just some of the laws that have to be broken for an illegal to hold a regular job with an employer. Even Day Laborers are evading income tax.

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