Originally Posted by hairymarx

The truth is is that both illegal and legal immigrants are being scapegoated by the likes of people like you for the failings of US domestic socio-economic policy

Originally Posted by hairymarx

From the outset you made the false and frankly racist assertion that illegal immigration is responsible for the undercutting and hence lowering of US salaries.

Originally Posted by hairymarx

The fact that an 'illegal' immigrant is so desperate for work he/she is prepared to be exploited by an employer who illegally employs him/her for 3 dollars an hour in no way offsets or undercuts pay rates for the rest of us. This is a myth peddled by racists.

Originally Posted by Talo76

America would be a better place if they would have just killed McCain.

Originally Posted by t206

Im against things that are illegal, racism is one of those things.

Originally Posted by Makedde

Originally Posted by hairymarx

This brings me on to the question of illegality/legality of the movements of people across international borders which in reality is a moot point as I will go on to explain. A succession of US governments have disproportionately restricted the accessibility of working visas for poor and unskilled-semi skilled migrants - the very people who are working for the slave wages you laughlingly claim are undercutting the wages of 'legal' workers.

Now, if you are a desperate Mexican who will literally work at anything for anything in order to put food on your families table, then you will do anything you can to find a way into the US, given the fact that ones working visa application would have likely to have been previously refused. The subsequent act of illegal entry into the US, in other words, ensures that his/her claim for legal status is in effect ILLEGAL by default. Poor people who seek work in other countries like yours and mine are in other words effectively criminilized for no other reason then for wanting to feed their families. This is why the question of legality/illegality is a mootpoint with regards to immigration.

Originally Posted by katiegrrl0

it is called illegal immigration because it is against the law. There are proper ways to do things. It is not as if our borders are closed to the legal process.

Originally Posted by Jellah

Some are and some arent.

There are racists who are against illegal immigration...there are non-racists who are against illegal immgration.

This has to be determined on an INDIVIDUAL basis. Being against illegal immigration in and of itself is not an indicator of racism BUT when discussing the issue many who ARE racist reveal this side of themselves and are then appropriately labeled a racist.

I have seen both racists and non racicsts who are against illegal immigration. There is another board I have posted on and they have quite a few out and out racists (posted racist sites, racist sources, engage in racist rhetoric etc) and there were also posters there who were also against illegal immigration and were definitely NOT racists...that aspect usualy comes out via the conversation.

Originally Posted by 0000

the differentiation exists in whether or not a person is against legal immigration also. i personally am not against legal immigration. every US citizen, who is not descended from native american indians, originates from immigrant ancestry.