And "good" should be defined by a cost/benefit analysis.

How much will something cost and what will its benefit to society be? That should be considered for everything in our government, along with Constitutionality. Sadly, our government fails.

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The people have surprising little say in where our tax money goes.

This is a socialized society, it is a Nanny state. The groups that are supported are corporations. When was the last time YOU got a government subsidy. How many lobyists are working to make sure there is legislation that helps YOU get more of the taxes that we the people pay.

If like Fanny May and Freddie Mac, you totally screwed up and were going bankrupt, how quickly would the government bail YOU out. Fanny and Freddy get your tax money while you would get "tough love".

The top 100 Corporations in the fortune 500 have all recieved government subsidies at one time or another. These are some of the companies who work to get out the message that socialism is evil....for you. Not evil for them....just for you.

Single payer insurance will save you money, but the Insurance corporations will lose billions.

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To have universal heathcare the entire system has to be reworked and would take some time. I think it could be worked out to be no more than it is right now.

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Im a Tarte, what! you want some of this?

Fair points, all.

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"It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance.

--Murray Rothbard

That is exactly my point, the entire system as it is set up now is detrimental to the well being of the average citizen. These big corporations are sucking up all our money and giving us little in return. I think that a government run, and government payed for system would be a much better use of my money. I would happily pay my share for everyone in the country to have the chance to go the the hospital when needed, and I think it's about the most un-American thing you can do if you say that you wouldn't. Would you rather see you taxes go to fighting a war, regardless of the legality or ethical reasons for fighting it. I have always thought that the priority should be to maintain the quality of life at home first, then portion out the rest for defense and foreign aid. Things like health care, education, national infrastructure, and domestic energy policy should be our priorities. Killing innocent people halfway around the would is not the American way. Especially not when our own nation is suffering as a result.

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If I may, I think a slightly better analogy would be education. I have no children and yet all my life I have been required to pay taxes to build schools and pay teachers. I have no problem with that, because I am a part of society and I have at least some obligation to help society stay on an even keel.

My tax contributions for an educated society does not benefit me directly because I have no children (of course, I did have an education of my own, but my parents' tax dollars paid for that), but there is ultimately an overall social benefit to each of us.

Some sort of nationalized/universal health care system fits the same category. An ounce of prevention equals a pound of cure.

It will never cease to amaze me how two people that are the product of the same society can be so diametrically opposed in both opinion and intellect. The fact is that the free market system does not work. It allows those among us who, by virtue of birth in many cases, do not deserve to control so much wealth and power the chance to acquire more. Even the writer of our constitution Thomas Jefferson warned against allowing companies and individuals to gain too much money when he said; "I hope we shall crush ... in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country". We are quickly leaning towards rule by oligarchy, and I refuse to sit idle and watch as our country is torn apart by people that do not care about the recourse of their actions. They are self serving, greedy opportunists that would throw you and your family to their deaths if they thought they could make a few more dollars in the process. I can only hope that when those you seem to wish to emulate have abandoned you, and left you helpless and weak you are not too proud to accept help from those you seem so willing to demonize today. All we want is equality for everyone, not just the elite, but something tells me that you're too stubborn to see that right now. One day you might see the truth.

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Its not about people being against it being greedy, the people against it are against it because:

-The Fed Gvt. is not capable of efficiently doing this
-It is not constitutionally allowed
-The real problem with the current system is over legislation, lawsuits, and limitations on free market practices to curb pricing irregularities

Pretty simple stuff, but people tend to latch onto the emotional aspect of it and want to call others greedy and selfish

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But you can't force the people who wouldn't to do so.

You can have a government run healthcare insurance plan so long as it is revenue positive and doesn't rely on people's taxes, which are forced from them. Compliance would have to be 100% voluntary and the government would need to continue to allow private sectors to offer their own forms of insurance. The way that people would pay for the system would need to be equal as to avoid any forms of outright wealth redistribution.

The problem with that is that the government would still need to have a similar profit margin to the privately run companies to maintain that service, as profit is necessary to business expansion and to cover costs. However, keeping the program revenue positive would eliminate one significant problem with government functions, and that is that the program would have an incentive to cut costs, maximize efficiency, and maintain its competitiveness.

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--Murray Rothbard

I find it interesting, the name of this thread...."Greed and Health Care."

Wouldn't those who pine for socialist health care be "greedy" by wanting to have their health care taken care of with other people's money? They're "greedy" because they'd rather own a freakin' iPhone, than spend the money needed to get personal health insurance.

I'd rather people be greedy with their own money, than greedy with money that's not theirs.

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